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dharmacorps wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:29 pm oncereturner, can you share why AA meetings are a let down for you?

oncereturner wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:32 amOf course. Facing the truth is hard, they tell stories about their suffering. They try and fail, just like me. Some of them beated the addiction, but they don't tell us how.
After the meeting I was anxious, this is maybe an incurable disease. The doctor also said there's no cure. Almost every illness is curable but this is not. I think this lets me down.

oncereturner wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:32 am

dharmacorps wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:29 pm oncereturner, can you share why AA meetings are a let down for you?

Of course. Facing the truth is hard, they tell stories about their suffering. They try and fail, just like me. Some of them beated the addiction, but they don't tell us how.
After the meeting I was anxious, this is maybe an incurable disease. The doctor also said there's no cure. Almost every illness is curable but this is not. I think this lets me down.

oncereturner wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:45 pm I was in the hospital asking for help. I talked to a doctor, and described my problem, heavy alcohol addiction. He said go to the emergency station, if I have delirium, they will accept me as a patient, so I went there.

At the emergency station they told me they only accept non conscious patients, and ambulance cars. I was told to go to a foundation, which is only open in working hours. As I work every day I can't go there. And I need a referee to get into the hospital. Doctor told me at the local mental facility, in his opinion I shouldn't go to rehab and I was not given a referee.

This is an eastern European nightmare, but I don't give up and find a way to get into the rehabilitation center.

User1249x wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:35 pm

oncereturner wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:45 pm I was in the hospital asking for help. I talked to a doctor, and described my problem, heavy alcohol addiction. He said go to the emergency station, if I have delirium, they will accept me as a patient, so I went there.

At the emergency station they told me they only accept non conscious patients, and ambulance cars. I was told to go to a foundation, which is only open in working hours. As I work every day I can't go there. And I need a referee to get into the hospital. Doctor told me at the local mental facility, in his opinion I shouldn't go to rehab and I was not given a referee.

This is an eastern European nightmare, but I don't give up and find a way to get into the rehabilitation center.

Idk enough to comment on your particular situation but sure hope you get twice the help you need.
Do you practice Satipatthana meditation?

No_Mind wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:06 pmSince Istanbul is very interesting city (I think the most historically significant place in Europe after Athens and Rome) you will not be bored and your mind will not turn to alcohol. You are from EU schengen zone so travel to Turkey is hassle free.

If you do need alcohol .. it is available but you have to work hard to find it.

No_Mind wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:06 pm

oncereturner wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:17 am

Garrib wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:50 pm
I would advise you to ditch the alcohol - it doesn't make pain go away for long, and it brings more pain in its wake!

I feel very good, but next day is very bitter. Every morning I feel I'm going to die.I was in hospital 6 times related to toxication. I've already lost my self-control, I'm heavily addicted, doctor says I have 10 more years left at maximum. I'm 36. Without alcohol, I have no life, I feel depression.

Question is, to live with pain, mental illness, or die young with some joy?

Late to this topic .. I drank a pint of whiskey daily for five years in my twenties and gave it up. I still drink an occasional peg but with friends (birthday and such)

Alcoholism is not a disease and alcoholic can return to social drinking.

What you need is a massive "pattern interrupt". You live in Hungary. Go someplace for five days which has totally different culture. I would suggest Istanbul (by train so people can frown at you if you drink). Drinking is not as prevalent in Turkey as in Hungary. So .. it will be tough for you to find a bottle easily (I know those who drink can manage to find a bottle even in middle of the desert .. I have done so many times)

The shock to your system would carry you over next five days by which time you will have detoxed.

Since Istanbul is very interesting city (I think the most historically significant place in Europe after Athens and Rome) you will not be bored and your mind will not turn to alcohol. You are from EU schengen zone so travel to Turkey is hassle free. If you do need alcohol .. it is available but you have to work hard to find it.

Eat Turkish food (doner kebab and pilaf and baclava with tea) .. visit bazaars .. completely different culture from what you are used. If you can make it to one week (counting the train trip 168 hours outside Hungary) you will be cured

In my case after my immediate detox (first ten days) I took up exercise and got a six pack .. set a target .. I will run 11 miles in an hour and just do it .. that enormous amount of exercising for four years cured me of any wish to drink .. when I next drank after several years it tasted different.

Bottom line .. it is very easy to get rid of alcohol if one gets really interested in something else to fill the void .. exercise is the most usual filler.

dharmacorps wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:25 pm Great job Oncereturner. I am sorry about the bad doctors and bad advice you get in real life and on this forum. Keep persisting and go to rehab.