You can keep bemoaning your situation here and making excuses, or get help outside yourself.
Your way of doing things has not worked. And it isn't working now.
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This old relationship doesn't work Sir, exactly as you said. Thank you for the warning. She played her old foolish games with me. I got very angry, drunk and smashed my TV with a wrench. Finally it is over. Next day I was late 4 hours at my workplace, with a serious hangover. I wonder i still have a job.dharmacorps wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:00 pm I'm sorry if this isn't well received Oncereturner, but looking to girlfriends or old relationships to help you get sober is not going to help you. In fact, it will hurt you. This person is an added stressor in your life and is going to make things far far worse, regardless of how good of a person she is.
Please take advantage of us here on this forum who have been down this road and save yourself some needless suffering-- go to a AA meeting and swallow your pride. The people in those rooms know how to help you solve your problem and have done it.
You have a situation now where you can choose further alcoholic torture, or the possibility of making a real change. Any hope from this rekindling the old relationship will fade, and probably destroy any relationship you have with her because you are still actively in addiction. Seen it innumerable times.
Today evening I will go to a piano concert, if I can still walk.
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My friend,oncereturner wrote:...
I sympathise - my mother was an alcoholic, and the end result was death, not a nice way either. Please leave your present pattern - go somewhere else, meet different people. Bodom's suggestions are excellent, and I would like to add: present behavioural patterns are held in place by all the other patterns in your life. It can help you to shake loose present patterns to be in a different location, or around different people, or doing different things. For me, going to a new place always helps to break patterns. Perhaps you could stay at a monastery. Please PM me if you feel like it.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"
"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta
'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19
'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha
"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta
'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19
'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha
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My grandfather also died from alcohol addiction. My father is an alcoholic too, as far as I know, he still lives, but he was in a very bad condition 15 years ago, so I'm not sure that he is still alive.Pseudobabble wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:43 pmMy friend,oncereturner wrote:...
I sympathise - my mother was an alcoholic, and the end result was death, not a nice way either. Please leave your present pattern - go somewhere else, meet different people. Bodom's suggestions are excellent, and I would like to add: present behavioural patterns are held in place by all the other patterns in your life. It can help you to shake loose present patterns to be in a different location, or around different people, or doing different things. For me, going to a new place always helps to break patterns. Perhaps you could stay at a monastery. Please PM me if you feel like it.
I still thinking about Bodom's suggestions, and it's very clear to me that I must to go rehab. It's likely that his comments will save my life. I may lose my job, but I don't like it anyway. If I don't drink I have horrible withdrawal symptoms. I don't create more excuses. It's clear that I will die too, maybe next year, if I don't stop. I go to rehab.
"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech."
— SN 45.8
— SN 45.8
Re: Buddhism and alcohol
So happy for you! A life you never thought possible, a freedom you never thought possible, waits for you on the other side. Please stay in touch to let us know your progress.oncereturner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:47 amMy grandfather also died from alcohol addiction. My father is an alcoholic too, as far as I know, he still lives, but he was in a very bad condition 15 years ago, so I'm not sure that he is still alive.Pseudobabble wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:43 pmMy friend,oncereturner wrote:...
I sympathise - my mother was an alcoholic, and the end result was death, not a nice way either. Please leave your present pattern - go somewhere else, meet different people. Bodom's suggestions are excellent, and I would like to add: present behavioural patterns are held in place by all the other patterns in your life. It can help you to shake loose present patterns to be in a different location, or around different people, or doing different things. For me, going to a new place always helps to break patterns. Perhaps you could stay at a monastery. Please PM me if you feel like it.
I still thinking about Bodom's suggestions, and it's very clear to me that I must to go rehab. It's likely that his comments will save my life. I may lose my job, but I don't like it anyway. If I don't drink I have horrible withdrawal symptoms. I don't create more excuses. It's clear that I will die too, maybe next year, if I don't stop. I go to rehab.

This is our foundation: to have sati, recollection, and sampajañña, self-awareness, whether standing, walking, sitting, or reclining. Whatever arises, just leave it be, don’t cling to it. Whether it’s like or dislike, happiness or suffering, doubt or certainty... Don’t try to label everything, just know it. See that all the things that arise in the mind are simply sensations. They are transient. They arise, exist and cease. That’s all there is to them, they have no self or being, they are neither ‘us’ nor ‘them’. None of them are worthy of clinging to.
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No, the medical system in my country is much more underdeveloped compared to the US. I was in detox once, but they let me go next day. They accept people only with alcohol poisoning, and when they get sober, they can go out.
Going to rehab is not easy too. I can't just go there without a referral. I booked an appointment to my doctor for January. Then maybe he can give me a referral to a hospital, and from the hospital I can get into the rehab with another referral.
I have another idea. I had pancreas failure last year, and I feel a little pain sometimes in my pancreas again. Actually I don't feel pain right now, but I will tell the doctor so. I feel constant pain in my kidney, which is true. I will go to the surgery, and the doctor will send me into a hospital (with a referral), where they can examine my pancreas and liver. This will be the "detox".
Then I go right into the psychiatric hospital, from where the doctor can send me to the rehab.
Despite the complicated procedures, I will go into psychiatric hospital or rehab.
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Greetings,
Metta,
Paul.
I respect your determination... It will serve you well.oncereturner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:55 pm Despite the complicated procedures, I will go into psychiatric hospital or rehab.
Metta,
Paul.

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)
"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)
"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)
"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
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I'm still hesitating and confused.
Going to hospital at Christmas is horrible feeling, and I'm very scared of going to hospital. They will push pins into my skin, taking blood and other painful examinations. I feel it's shame.
I feel comfortable with my job. I suffer and feel pain all over my body, due to my addiction.
Going to hospital at Christmas is horrible feeling, and I'm very scared of going to hospital. They will push pins into my skin, taking blood and other painful examinations. I feel it's shame.
I feel comfortable with my job. I suffer and feel pain all over my body, due to my addiction.
"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech."
— SN 45.8
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Just go. A little pain now vs a lifetime of pain otherwise. It's a simple choice.oncereturner wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:24 am I'm still hesitating and confused.
Going to hospital at Christmas is horrible feeling, and I'm very scared of going to hospital. They will push pins into my skin, taking blood and other painful examinations. I feel it's shame.
I feel comfortable with my job. I suffer and feel pain all over my body, due to my addiction.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"
"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta
'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19
'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha
"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta
'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19
'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha
Re: Buddhism and alcohol
If going to the hospital over the holidays means that you won't miss out on work, then that is so much better!oncereturner wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:24 amI'm still hesitating and confused.
Going to hospital at Christmas is horrible feeling, and I'm very scared of going to hospital. They will push pins into my skin, taking blood and other painful examinations. I feel it's shame.
I feel comfortable with my job. I suffer and feel pain all over my body, due to my addiction.
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
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The suffering at the hospital will be nothing compared to the suffering of further alcoholic torture. If you continue to drink you are garunteeing yourself a lot more time in the hospital. You are actually saving yourself pain. Don't be afraid, taking this step is one you will not regret.oncereturner wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:24 am I'm still hesitating and confused.
Going to hospital at Christmas is horrible feeling, and I'm very scared of going to hospital. They will push pins into my skin, taking blood and other painful examinations. I feel it's shame.
I feel comfortable with my job. I suffer and feel pain all over my body, due to my addiction.
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Another total failure.
Instead going to the hospital, I decided to go to a company Christmas party. I got totally drunk for free.
I kissed and embraced beautiful girls, I danced with them, At last... . One of them was a beautiful blonde. This is a thing I could never imagine that could happen to me. I said to her that she is beautiful (and maybe I said that I love her).
Another girl said that she likes the same rap music I like. My craving (tahna) is on the higher level.
I guess I am lost in samsara.
Instead going to the hospital, I decided to go to a company Christmas party. I got totally drunk for free.
I kissed and embraced beautiful girls, I danced with them, At last... . One of them was a beautiful blonde. This is a thing I could never imagine that could happen to me. I said to her that she is beautiful (and maybe I said that I love her).
Another girl said that she likes the same rap music I like. My craving (tahna) is on the higher level.
I guess I am lost in samsara.
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— SN 45.8
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Greetings,
The hospital is still there...
Metta,
Paul.
The hospital is still there...
Metta,
Paul.

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)
"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)
"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)
"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
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Fail.oncereturner wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:37 am Another total failure.
Instead going to the hospital, I decided to go to a company Christmas party. I got totally drunk for free.
I kissed and embraced beautiful girls, I danced with them, At last... . One of them was a beautiful blonde. This is a thing I could never imagine that could happen to me. I said to her that she is beautiful (and maybe I said that I love her).
Another girl said that she likes the same rap music I like. My craving (tahna) is on the higher level.
I guess I am lost in samsara.
Try again.
Fail.
Try again.
Fail.
Try again.
...
As long as the desire to get better does not leave your deepest heart, keep going.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"
"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta
'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19
'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha
"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta
'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19
'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha