grigoris wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:42 amNo. I am saying that you have no idea about what the Hell realms are and and why sentient beings are reborn there. I am saying that your idea of a Hell realm is a fabrication of your Christian and pseudo-psychological baggage.
Actually, again, you seem to impute your own beliefs onto others. Based on what you wrote, it appears it is your mind that has Christian and pseudo-psychological baggage. The hell realms I am referring to are those taught by the Buddha, as follows:
Bhikkhus, it is a gain for you, it is well gained by you, that you have obtained the opportunity for living the holy life. I have seen, bhikkhus, the hell named ‘Contact’s Sixfold Base.’ There whatever form one sees with the eye is undesirable, never desirable; unlovely, never lovely; disagreeable, never agreeable. Whatever sound one hears with the ear … Whatever odour one smells with the nose … Whatever taste one savours with the tongue … Whatever tactile object one feels with the body … Whatever mental phenomenon one cognizes with the mind is undesirable, never desirable; unlovely, never lovely; disagreeable, never agreeable.
https://suttacentral.net/sn35.135/en/bodhi
grigoris wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:42 amThe Hell realms are one of the SIX realms (you seem to ignore the existence of the other five) that one is reborn into on the basis of their kammic predisposition.
The idea of five realms appears to be a later teaching, as follows:
And what is the diversity in kamma? There is kamma to be experienced in hell, kamma to be experienced in the realm of common animals, kamma to be experienced in the realm of the hungry shades, kamma to be experienced in the human world, kamma to be experienced in the world of the devas. This is called the diversity in kamma.
AN 6.63
Originally, the Buddha obviously taught about two realms: heaven & hell, as follows:
When the mind was thus concentrated, purified, bright, unblemished, rid of defilement, pliant, malleable, steady, & attained to imperturbability, I directed it to the knowledge of the passing away & reappearance of beings. I saw — by means of the divine eye, purified & surpassing the human — beings passing away & re-appearing, and I discerned how they are inferior & superior, beautiful & ugly, fortunate & unfortunate in accordance with their kamma: 'These beings — who were endowed with bad conduct of body, speech & mind, who reviled noble ones, held wrong views and undertook actions under the influence of wrong views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell. But these beings — who were endowed with good conduct of body, speech, & mind, who did not revile noble ones, who held right views and undertook actions under the influence of right views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the good destinations, in the heavenly world.' Thus — by means of the divine eye, purified & surpassing the human — I saw beings passing away & re-appearing, and I discerned how they are inferior & superior, beautiful & ugly, fortunate & unfortunate in accordance with their kamma.
MN 4
Hell, ghost & animal are all woeful states; they are all dukkha; they are all hell. For example, hungry ghost women who take birth control so they can find some short term comfort in physical sex going from man to man to man are basically living in a hell of terror; the terror of loneliness, terror of fear & terror of desperation. Hungry ghost existence is hell; is terror. Unlike you, with Christian and pseudo-Mahayana baggage, I have seen the hungry ghost hell realm with my own eyes.
That is why, unlike you, I don't post about having a vasectomy so I can "get laid".
There are contemplatives & brahmans who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the other world after having directly known & realized it for themselves.'
MN 117
grigoris wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:42 amExcept maybe for the level of misogyny of many of the men (including you) posting here. For example: ONE woman posted in this discussion and you used personal attacks in an attempt to degrade her, assassinate her character and make her view appear irrelevant.
No. Again, you are treating women like they have no intelligence; that they are a weaker sex, similar to Christianity. It is you that appears to be engaged in misogyny. The woman that posted on this forum has actually been attacking my good self. Regardless, I treat this woman as an equal that she can learn Dhamma. Unlike you, I do not treat her as a protected species.
Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers
1 Peter 3:7