Dhamma Wheel Buddhist Forum

marc108 wrote:lol I think its funny.

marc108 wrote:Ajahn Brahm is great and what he's doing for the Bhikkhuni's is great as well.

marc108 wrote:Of course other people are going to try to project their perceptions of what they think a Bhikkhu should or should not be doing...

marc108 wrote:but really, who are we to tell Ajahn Brahm anything lol.

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:I visited the Dhammasara Nun's site, but I could find no evidence for this alleged sale of Ajahn Brahma's time.

Apparently, it is for real. I found this page on Dhammaloka.org

Mr Man wrote:

marc108 wrote:Of course other people are going to try to project their perceptions of what they think a Bhikkhu should or should not be doing...

I don't think it is a case of projecting perceptions.

Mr Man wrote:

marc108 wrote:but really, who are we to tell Ajahn Brahm anything lol.

Why not?

"May Master Gotama, together with the community of monks, acquiesce to my offer of tomorrow's meal."

The Blessed One acquiesced with silence.

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mikenz66 wrote:Can someone explain exactly what their objection to this is? Does it contravene some obscure rule in the Vinaya?

I don't see any logical difference from any Dhamma presentation, where teachings and dana is given freely, but perhaps I'm overlooking something.


Mike

SN 42.10 Maniculaka Sutta: To Maniculaka wrote:"Now I do say that thatch may be sought for by one needing thatch, wood may be sought for by one needing wood, a cart may be sought for by one needing a cart, a workman may be sought for by one needing a workman, but by no means do I say that money may be consented to or sought for in any way at all."

Nissaggiya Pācittiya: Rules entailing forfeiture and confession wrote:18. Should any bhikkhu accept gold and silver, or have it accepted, or consent to its being deposited (near him), it is to be forfeited and confessed.

19. Should any bhikkhu engage in various types of monetary exchange, it (the income) is to be forfeited and confessed.

20. Should any bhikkhu engage in various types of trade, it (the article obtained) is to be forfeited and confessed.

Cittasanto wrote: he is trading himself for money to build.

mikenz66 wrote:Can someone explain exactly what their objection to this is? Does it contravene some obscure rule in the Vinaya?

I don't see any logical difference from any Dhamma presentation, where teachings and dana is given freely, but perhaps I'm overlooking something.

tiltbillings wrote:

Cittasanto wrote: he is trading himself for money to build.

Does he benefit from this, does he line his pockets, get a big fancy car, better food, silk robes, a nicer place to live?

Ud3.8 pinda sutta wrote:The monk going for alms,
supporting himself and no other:
The devas adore one who is Such
if he's not intent
on fame & praise.

DN2 wrote:"So after some time he abandons his mass of wealth, large or small; leaves his circle of relatives, large or small; shaves off his hair and beard, puts on the ochre robes, and goes forth from the household life into homelessness. Having thus gone forth he lives restrained in body, speech, and mind, content with the simplest food and shelter, delighting in solitude. Then suppose one of your men were to inform you: 'You should know, your majesty, that that man of yours — the farmer, the householder, the taxpayer swelling the royal treasury... has gone forth from the household life into homelessness... content with the simplest food and shelter, delighting in solitude.' Would you, thus informed, say, 'Bring that man back to me. Make him again be a farmer, a householder, a taxpayer swelling the royal treasury!'?"

Cittasanto wrote:

tiltbillings wrote:

Cittasanto wrote: he is trading himself for money to build.

Does he benefit from this, does he line his pockets, get a big fancy car, better food, silk robes, a nicer place to live?

I will point you too the first quote.
it does not matter if he is benefitting in that way. he is allowing and being part of making himself a commodity in trade that is inappropriate.