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Re: The consciousness of Nibbana after death (Parinibbana)

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cappuccino wrote:"There is that dimension where there is neither earth, nor water, nor fire, nor wind; … neither this world, nor the next world, nor sun, nor moon. And there, I say, there is neither coming(=nothing born), nor going, nor stasis; neither passing away nor arising (=no birth): without stance, without foundation, without support. This, just this, is the end of stress."

— Ud 8.1
The quote text already said "nothing in nibbāna". So nibbāna is not place, because "place" mean "area for earth, water, fire, wind, world, sun, moon, coming, going, stasis, arising and pass away".

You need to focus on every word.

Tipitaka student should memorize the tipitaka pāli. The translation make the reader confuse, but pali will not. Budddha force buddhist people to memorize tipitaka because of this case. The reading make the reader cut some part off pali tipitaka. Just the pali tipitaka memorizer can under stand the whole story.
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There is that dimension

where there is

And there
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cappuccino wrote:There is: that dimension

where there is

And there
Buddha have to use the general word to explain some thing that general never have accessed. It look like you try to explain your seen bird with some people who have never seen that bird. So when you read, you must read the whole message.
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http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Ananda Sutta: To Ananda
(On Self, No Self, and Not-self)
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cappuccino wrote:There is: that dimension

where there is

And there
Difficult for me to believe that "dimension" is the only word that could be used for this and "dimension" has some meanings in english which are probably not appropriate to apply to the buddha's teaching. Do you know what pali word is being translated as "dimension"? I can relate to "dimension" as it is used here and have no problem with it but I think that sometimes people have the tendency to focus too intently on their own personal idea about what "dimension" means and it would be good to provide other possible translations to avoid this.
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I think that the people in the different Nibbana camps are good at knocking down straw men. I honestly don't think that there are many people on this forum who actually think of Nibbana as a place, somewhere where "you" keep existing, or where the aggregates re-arise. They simply don't believe these things. They just believe that Nibbana is not just a tricky way of talking about nothingness...
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If I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self — were to answer that there is no self, that would be conforming with those brahmans & contemplatives who are exponents of annihilationism
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Re: Is there consciousness in Nibbana?

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The consciousness referred to as one of the 5 aggregates are sense consciousness only. Sense consciousness are dependent, sometimes they come into being sometimes they don't, there are pauses in between moments of sense consciousnesses, but in those pauses the knower is still aware, that is you, the citta, the knowingness that is permanent, it does not arise or cease because it was not brought into being by any condition. The knowingness cannot cease, it is independent of the body and all the other khandhas. one sees that the five khandhas are not truly me. Nibbana is simply the citta being able to be alone without needing to get the 5 khandhas in the form of a body (rebirth), like in continuous Samadhi without needing or desiring anything. Very big misconception to say nibbana is nothing, no consciousness. What is permanent in the universe is the citta and the elements, out of the 4 elements form formations, sankharas, that is impermanent.
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Re: Is there consciousness in Nibbana?

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Samadhi is inconstant, unsatisfactory, not self

whatever you can name, is not self

citta is not self
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Is there consciousness in Nibbana?

if not you seek annihilation
not Nibbana
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Re: Is there consciousness in Nibbana?

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cappuccino wrote:Is there consciousness in Nibbana?

if not you seek annihilation
not Nibbana
If yes it is eternalism not Nibbana.
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Nirvana is everlasting

though is not a constant self
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cappuccino wrote:Nirvana is everlasting

though is not a constant self
Well, Samsara also everlasting. It is not self either.
By the way is there a inconstant self?
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SarathW wrote:By the way is there a inconstant self?
a dream is inconstant,
a self is a dream
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That is not mun's speech. I am a Thai. I know mun. He is abhidhammist.[/quote]

Bhikkhu Thanissaro actually said that Ajahn Mun sharply criticized the commentaries.
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