the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread

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Everything that is Metta is infinite, meditate on that feeling.

Only evil is finite.

Therefore 1 + 1 = 2 = ∞, because there is no evil there. That is some esoteric math for you :heart: .

If you think about this, this is the basis for the formation of Loving form.

We are infinite beings. :group:
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Mahabrahma wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:26 am Everything that is Metta is infinite, meditate on that feeling.

Only evil is finite.

Therefore 1 + 1 = 2 = ∞, because there is no evil there. That is some esoteric math for you :heart: .

If you think about this, this is the basis for the formation of Loving form.

We are infinite beings. :group:
Nibbana is absence of feeling. Imagine you endure something and it starts to disappear, it makes you feel good because of absence.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an09/an09.034.than.html wrote: I have heard that on one occasion Ven. Sariputta was staying near Rajagaha in the Bamboo Grove, the Squirrels' Feeding Sanctuary. There he said to the monks, "This Unbinding is pleasant, friends. This Unbinding is pleasant."

When this was said, Ven. Udayin said to Ven. Sariputta, "But what is the pleasure here, my friend, where there is nothing felt?"

"Just that is the pleasure here, my friend: where there is nothing felt.
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There are these five strings of sensuality. Which five? Forms cognizable via the eye — agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, fostering desire, enticing; sounds cognizable via the ear... smells cognizable via the nose... tastes cognizable via the tongue... tactile sensations cognizable via the body — agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, fostering desire, enticing. Whatever pleasure or joy arises in dependence on these five strings of sensuality, that is sensual pleasure.
when you are arousing loving feeling, that is sensual pleasure, which is object of the sense organ. It doesn't develop your mind, you need right intent for to develop mind. Mind needs to move(cittavimutti) in order to develop. When you are using a base or foundation/nimitta, which in your case is metta, is not nibbana(unconditional element), but it still potentially develops mind if there is right intent.
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auto wrote: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:56 pmnibbana (unconditional element)
unconditioned element
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Nibbana = annihilation ?

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Hello,

Sorry to wake this thread up
I was about to create a new thread but think this could be related.
In Hinduism there is something eternal i.e. self. When one achieved moksha, consciousness is eternal. Siddharta Gautama was a Hindu but taught different concept of liberation, he was not satisfied with his teachers at that time. In Buddhism consciousness is not self, feeling is not self, all five aggregates are not self. So what attains permanent liberation? This lead to a view that Buddhism liberation is more extreme than Hinduism. Buddhism nirvana could be "higher" than Hinduism but what's left? We are told that we cannot know until we achieved it ourselves. But those who achieve it themselves, for example, the modern sages who are believed have attained nibbana do not talk much about what they have attained. Some of them talk a little bit about it but many said it's not in accordance with Buddhist teaching. For example if I am not mistaken Ajahn Chah and Ajahn Maha Boowa taught about eternalism or eternal mind/citta, this is similar to the teaching of Hindu. Although we can't experience nibbana ourselves, but at least there is something liberated or there is something who experience permanent peace. Do we, if not most Buddhists misunderstand Buddha or annihilation is the great liberation?

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D1W1 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:56 am Do Buddhists misunderstand Buddha or annihilation is the great liberation?
Nirvana is "the final dimension"

Ud 8.1 wrote:There is that sphere where there is no earth, no water, no fire nor wind
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cappuccino wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:09 am
D1W1 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:56 am Do Buddhists misunderstand Buddha or annihilation is the great liberation?
Nirvana is "the final dimension"

Ud 8.1 wrote:There is that sphere where there is no earth, no water, no fire nor wind
Which is here and now and as Nagarjuna said Nibbana and Samsara are the same.
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D1W1 wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:10 am Which is here and now and as Nagarjuna said Nibbana and Samsara are the same.
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D1W1 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:56 am Hello,

Sorry to wake this thread up
I was about to create a new thread but think this could be related.
In Hinduism there is ...
D1W1 wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:10 am ... Nagarjuna said ...
It seems you would have better opened another thread in another section of this forum because this section is about theravada not about comparison with other religions and Nagarjuna's views do not belong to the theravada either.
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