Irrelevant. The quote is about how men should ideally relate to women. The quote is about this topic "compassion for women".
The sutta remains relevant in general; although not in its minor cultural details. For example, in today's reality, the five principles in the sutta remain valid, namely:This is in the context of arranged marriages where women didn't choose their husbands, didn't have sex before marriage
1. Wives miss their families therefore a husband should not be a possessive control freak if his wife wants to visit her parents, family or friends.
2. Women still menstruate & get moody.
3. Women still get pregnant, which still results in many additional duties for husbands.
4. Women still have children, which still results in many additional duties for husbands.
5. Women still like to look after their husband & family therefore husbands still need to be grateful.
What has the above got to do with Buddhism? Where does Buddhism teach to have sex before marriage? Regardless, given men & women now have sex before marriage, they are not only naturally not "virginity pair bonded" (as you said) but are also more emotionally volatile & unpredictable. Therefore, having compassion towards women & following the five principles is even more important for a husband because, if not, 'no fault' divorce laws means your non-virgin wife will devastate you financially in a no-fault divorce.didn't have sex before marriage, didn't work nor vote, didn't have 'no fault' divorce laws, men were paid dowries, virginity (and thus pair bonding by extension, look up sexual activity and pair bonding studies) was guaranteed. The balance has shifted.
While relevant to the "left-wing", this is also a generalization. Regardless, again, it is not a personal view from a Dhamma reality. As Dhamma practitioners, I think we try to control our own reality, be it our job choice or choice of partner or choice of world view.
And, so?budo wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 8:44 amMarriage rates are dropping fast because there is no-fault divorce which means a woman can divorce and get half of everything for any reason, even if she cheated, and thus divorce rates are very high, which acts as a deterrent for men to get married who could lose their wealth as soon as they get married or lose custody of their kids, so marriage is dying in the west, jewelry stores are going bankrupt, etc..
Generally Buddhist practitioner's don't dwell in the hungry ghost realm (described above).budo wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 8:44 amThe Buddha said lay people shouldn't roam the streets at night because it is dangerous, well the same goes for women and promiscuity. It would be silly of me to go out at night to bad areas and then complain I got assaulted as a result, likewise it would be silly for women to be promiscuous with people they are not married to and then complain about getting raped as a result. Laying naked and exposed with strangers who you know little about is even more risky than walking the streets at night in a bad area. And yet getting drunk and having promiscuous sex is now the past time of the average young woman.
Maybe but its part of compassion to have the view of "a husband". Its not "compassion" to accept the hungry ghost realm as something OK. If we hope to be compassionate, we cease to believe that promiscuity, etc, brings happiness and we live our lives accordingly, including how we relate to women. For example, if a "liberated" woman wants to have impulsive sex with us, as a Dhamma man, we say "no".
Whooa! Dhamma overload! Politically incorrect in Western Buddhism. Sorry, back to topic. Yes, the above considerations influence compassion towards women. Again, if we are an evolving Western man discerning this sexual dukkha, we learn to say "No" to unbeneficial sexual liaisons. This is compassion towards women; to relate to women with "metta" as "friends".budo wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 9:46 am Furthermore I think it's important for people to understand (scientific sources below):
- Pair bonding is the mechanism that maintains monogamy
- Pair bonding is dependent on the hormone oxytocin
- The more sexual partners a woman has had in her lifetime the less oxytocin she is able to produce, the less she is able to pair bond, the less able she is to stay in a monogamous relationship
- The less a woman is able to pair bond with men, the less she is able to pair bond with her child in its infancy
- If an infant cannot pair bond with its mother, the infant will fail to be imprinted and learn emotional intelligence, empathy, and self-awareness.. Leading to autism, psychopathy, and a host of mental diseases.
Therefore the sexual liberation movement is not only destroying marriages, but also women and children. This is why virginity was guarded in the past by religions and royal families, even going as far as implementing chastity belts.