Theravada against mathematics

[Ceisiwr]

I am not talking here about the Buddha, but about the Pali school Abhidhamma.

Oh, well, I don't make use of the Abhidhamma. I tend to stick to the Suttas. Carry on

[cappuccino]

because reaching Nibbana is a sequence of combinations of dhammas.

wrong

And what is real except the dhammas and their combinations?

the faculties of faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration and wisdom

[Germann]

wrong

And what is real except the dhammas and their combinations?

the faculties of faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration and wisdom

Reality is paramattha dhammas, according to the Pali Abhidhamma. Chitta, Chetasika, Rupa, Nibbana.

[cappuccino]

forget Abhidhamma

[Germann]

forget Abhidhamma

The Theravada School is the tradition of the Pali Abhidhamma, a tradition of interpretations of the scholastics. Without the traditional Abhidhamma there is no Theravada school.

[Ceisiwr]

forget Abhidhamma

The Theravada School is the tradition of the Pali Abhidhamma, a tradition of interpretations of the scholastics. Without the traditional Abhidhamma there is no Theravada school.

Its a bit more than that. Rejection of the Mahayana suttas and doctrines is another defining feature, as is the Arahant goal.

[cappuccino]

Without the traditional Abhidhamma there is no Theravada school.

there is the teaching of the Buddha

[Germann]

forget Abhidhamma

The Theravada School is the tradition of the Pali Abhidhamma, a tradition of interpretations of the scholastics. Without the traditional Abhidhamma there is no Theravada school.

Its a bit more than that. Rejection of the Mahayana suttas and doctrines is another defining feature, as is the Arahant goal.

Correct interpretations belong to the Mahayana. By giving up the total denial of the existence of satta, you acknowledge this Mahayana doctrine. Can this be called a renunciation of the Mahayana doctrine if it is a repetition of it with a renunciation of the Pali tradition?

[Ceisiwr]

The Theravada School is the tradition of the Pali Abhidhamma, a tradition of interpretations of the scholastics. Without the traditional Abhidhamma there is no Theravada school.

Its a bit more than that. Rejection of the Mahayana suttas and doctrines is another defining feature, as is the Arahant goal.

You want to repeat is different from the Pali Abhidhamma interpretation of the Mahayana, calling it a rejection of the doctrines of the Mahayana?

What?

[Germann]

What?

Correct interpretations belong to the Mahayana. By giving up the total denial of the existence of satta, you acknowledge this Mahayana doctrine. Can this be called a renunciation of the Mahayana doctrine if it is a repetition of it with a renunciation of the Pali tradition?

[Ceisiwr]

Correct interpretations belong to the Mahayana. By giving up the total denial of the existence of satta, you will take the position of Mahayana.

As the Mahayana texts are later I find it more plausible that they went off in different directions as they came under the sway of later ideas. As for the total denial of satta, this would seem to be wrong view in my eyes. What is denied is that a permanent being can be found within the world. Satta is a construct, as are the other dhammas.

But this is getting off topic.

[cappuccino]

What is denied is that a permanent being can be found within the world.

yes with emphasis on permanent

rather we're inconstant, impermanent

[Germann]

As the Mahayana texts are later I find it more plausible that they went off in different directions as they came under the sway of later ideas. A

https://www.academia.edu/5212434/The_Ea ... e_in_India
The first texts in the literary Pali (the language that is known from the Pali Canon) appeared after the life of Nagarjuna.
Alternative opinions are refuted by the lack of epigraphy.

Accordingly, the whole Pali philosophy arose later than the philosophy of Nagarjuna.
Nagarjuna is closer in time to the record of Agamas and Suttas.

[cappuccino]

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[Ceisiwr]

Germann

https://www.academia.edu/5212434/The_Ea ... e_in_India

The first texts in the literary Pali (the language that is known from the Pali Canon) appeared after the life of Nagarjuna.
Alternative opinions are refuted by the lack of epigraphy.

Accordingly, the whole Pali philosophy arose later than the philosophy of Nagarjuna.
Nagarjuna is closer in time to the record of Agamas and Suttas.

The suttas themselves are usually dated before the Mahayana sutras. Nagarjuna refers to the suttas himself.