Manopubbangama wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:30 pmExcellent work, sir.Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:34 pm .
Sounds like ... Connections to other paths #0023
Theme: Small Nibbana (exactly the same thing as the "big" one, except duration?)
Verbatim Excerpts from:
Heart-wood from the Bo Tree
by BUDDHADASA BHIKKHU
http://www.meditation2.net/htdocs/Books ... o_Tree.htm
Metaphorical similarization and generalization of a "small nibbana" to the true one is somewhat understandable; however, using "exactly the same thing" is a totally different matter.Disturbance, the feeling of "I" and "mine", comes every now and again, and its periodic arising is called birth. Whenever there is birth there is Dukkha. But there are also many moments when there is no birth and so no Dukkha at all. However, people stupidly skip over them and overlook the everpresent Nibbana, and so are unaware of its presence.
Even if it is only a very small Nibbana, merely a taste, it’s exactly the same thing as true, lasting Nibbana; it differs only in duration. It doesn’t last because we don’t know how to protect ourselves from the disease and how to destroy it. Consequently, every now and again the disease penetrates and interrupts Nibbana.
Protecting genuine Heartwood of the Bodhi Tree
blue-highlights are not the main theme of this post, may be for near future.
Of course, I don't disagree with the concept of momentary births and deaths.
However, these blue-highlights (especially those underlined) may very well shed some lights on the Achilles’ heel of his particular version of momemtary birth paradigm.
As far as the disdain for Pariyatti is concerned, as illustrated by your work here, absolutely shocking, and totally adhammic.
Pariyatti precedes patipatti which precedes pativedha.
We could also say: sila precedes samadhi and paññā.
If this were not the case, we would not need a Buddha to learn from. The Buddha is not an imaginary friend we chat with; his words are preserved in the Tipitika.
If we are climbing stairs, what is the point of saying "the 6th step is so much better than the 1st?"
Samma-Ditthi precedes and cascades all of the other 7 ariyo aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo.
Zen fetishism and imitation is not necessary; if you want to read about how Sunyata is the central concept of Buddhism there is an entire library full of prajnaparamita literature to choose from, but copying these ideas and then stamping "Theravada" on them needs to be called out for what it is: plagiarism and misappropriation.
Showing that something deviates from a traditional interpretation is one thing - any person who can read can find discrepancies - but declaring something 'adhammic' implies experiential knowledge of what is and what is not Dhamma. I find it interesting that more than one member is willing to imply that about themselves in this thread. Honestly, those are hollow words. Anyone capable of such verification would plainly see that a practitioner would need to see it on their own (just as they are implying that they personally have), and that the word of another should lead to knowledge, not declare it outright.budo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:37 pm Good work Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta!
I'm appalled that Buddhadasa downplays the suttas, he is basically telling you to ignore the Buddha.
These words coming from Buddhadasa are adhamma, let it be known:
For the dhamma-vinaya is the Buddha, and the Buddha is the dhamma-vinaya.Though a person may never have seen or even heard of the Tipitaka, if he carries out detailed investigation every time suffering arises and scorches his mind he can be said to be studying the Tipitaka directly, and far more correctly than people actually in the process of reading it.
What the Buddha said on counterfeit Buddhism
- SN 20.7"Even so, bhikkhus, will the bhikkhus become in the future. And those discourses spoken by the Tathaagata, profound in meaning, transcendental, dealing with voidness, to these they will not listen when they are recited, they will not lend an ear, they will not set the heart upon final knowledge and will not consider that those things should be learned and mastered. But those discourses made by poets, poetry, mere beautiful words and phrases, spoken by outsiders and disciples, to these they will listen... they will consider that these things should be learned and mastered.
"Therefore, bhikkhus, I say, you should train yourselves thus:
"'Those discourses spoken by the Tathaagata profound in meaning, transcendental, dealing with voidness, to these we will listen when they are recited, we will lend an ear, we will set the heart upon final knowledge and we will consider that these things should be learned and mastered.'"
And finally the Buddha said a person who dwells in the true dhamma does two things: reads the suttas and attains jhanas"These five downward-leading qualities tend to the confusion and disappearance of the true Dhamma. Which five? There is the case where the monks, nuns, male lay followers, & female lay followers live without respect, without deference, for the Teacher. They live without respect, without deference, for the Dhamma... for the Sangha... for the Training... for concentration. These are the five downward-leading qualities that tend to the confusion and disappearance of the true Dhamma.
"But these five qualities tend to the stability, the non-confusion, the non-disappearance of the true Dhamma. Which five? There is the case where the monks, nuns, male lay followers, & female lay followers live with respect, with deference, for the Teacher. They live with respect, with deference, for the Dhamma... for the Sangha... for the Training... for concentration. These are the five qualities that tend to the stability, the non-confusion, the non-disappearance of the true Dhamma."
So what are the qualifications for declaring something to be adhammic as opposed to identifying how it has deviated from an interpretation? Does it happen on the level of scholarship or does it require experiential knowledge?
(I'm not attacking you two, I'm just letting you know what you are both implying. If this is too personal, feel free to request I close this thread.)