Pulsar wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:01 pm once DooDoot did not accept Rebirth as a possibility
Friend Pulsar. Still having the self-confessed struggle with Right Speech? I only posted my impression that you do not accept 'reincarnation' (based on the words you wrote) & that you are atheist towards the Brahma Gods that Bhikkhu Bodhi appears to believe in so much (based on the words you wrote). I do recall you appeared to post "Brahma is a serenity in the mind of the practitioner
" rather than a God in the clouds. I never ever posted I have ever accepted 'reincarnation-rebirth' as a possibly. I kindly ask you to not engage in false speech against me. Kind regards
Pulsar wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:11 pm
Antaradhana you claim one cannot engage in Jhanic meditation without permanently giving up sensual pleasures. Have you read Buddha's biography? When he was a 6 year old, under a rose apple tree, leading the life of a prince immersed in sensaul pleasures otherwise, briefly he left sensual pleasures to attain first buddhist jhana.
My impression of the story is young Gotama spontaneously entered jhana when he was 6 years old and only once. Also, he did not know he entered jhana. Importantly, young Gotama entered jhana because he was bored or disinterested in the festival. In other words, young Gotama was disinterested in sensual pleasures.
I agree with Antaradhana that your idea that a person can "briefly" leave habitual sensual & sexual pleasures and enter jhana is non-sense. If sexual pleasures could be briefly left for jhana, monks & nuns would not require to be celibate.
Pulsar wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:06 pm
MN 125 says Satipatthana should be practiced before jhana.
Your interpretation above sounds very seriously wrong, in that it sounds like you are saying jhana is not an object of satipatthana. Satipatthana is the practise of non-clinging towards any body, any feeling, any citta, any dhamma.
Therefore, it appears self-evident you believe satipatthana & jhana are not related. The impression is you believe jhana is produced by the self & by clinging; that jhana is to be clung to & identified with as "self"; and that clinging & selfing is the practise of Dhamma.