What is the reason that only a human can attain Nibbana?
What is the reason that only a human can attain Nibbana?
What is the reason that only a human can attain or realise Nibbana?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: What is the reason that only a human can attain Nibbana?
Devas & rupa brahmas can also attain Nibanna.
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Re: What is the reason that only a human can attain Nibbana?
Greetings Sarath,
Your premise seems wrong. How can you account for the non-returner?
Metta,
Paul.
Your premise seems wrong. How can you account for the non-returner?
Metta,
Paul.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: What is the reason that only a human can attain Nibbana?
What I am saying is that you have to realize Nibbana as a human.
At least you should become a Sotapanna as a human.
At least you should become a Sotapanna as a human.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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Devas can also become a sotapanna.
And while this discourse was being spoken, the stainless, immaculate vision of the Dhamma arose in Sakka, lord of gods: “Everything that has a beginning has an end.” And also for another 80,000 deities.
https://suttacentral.net/dn21/en/sujato
Re: What is the reason that only a human can attain Nibbana?
If my memory is good, it's said that it's The Buddha that can manifest only in humain world conditions... But Iam not sure
Ajahn Nanadassano (before ordaining) : Venerable Ajahn, what is the bigest error that buddhist do in their practice?
Ajahn Jayasaro : They stop practicing ...
Ajahn Jayasaro : They stop practicing ...
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Greetings Sarath,
Oh OK. I see what you're saying, but I'd be wary of that assumption too...
Thanissaro Bhikkhu wrote:The insight of a stream-enterer into the truths of causality on the one hand, and of the Deathless on the other, is accurate as far as it goes, but it does not equal the intensity of the insight of the arahant — one who has reached the final level of awakening. The differences between the two are suggested in the following simile.
SN 12:68 wrote:][Ven. Narada:] "My friend, although I have seen properly with right discernment, as it actually is present, that 'The cessation of becoming is Unbinding,' still I am not an arahant whose effluents are ended. It's as if there were a well along a road in a desert, with neither rope nor water bucket. A man would come along overcome by heat, oppressed by the heat, exhausted, dehydrated, & thirsty. He would look into the well and would have knowledge of 'water,' but he would not dwell touching it with his body. In the same way, although I have seen properly with right discernment, as it actually is present, that 'The cessation of becoming is Unbinding,' still I am not an arahant whose effluents are ended."
Metta,
Paul.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: What is the reason that only a human can attain Nibbana?
I believe that beings in Brahama world can not attain Nibbana.
Perhaps the being should have a body to realize Nibbana.
Perhaps the being should have a body to realize Nibbana.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: What is the reason that only a human can attain Nibbana?
The human realm is presented as a balanced state between higher realms which experience pleasure and lower realms which experience pain. As such, this can be conducive to discovering the middle way.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"
This was the last word of the Tathagata.
This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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wrong
non-returners attain nibbāna without ever returning to the human world
non-returners attain nibbāna without ever returning to the human world
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If a non-returner is destined to nibbana without ever returning to the human world, then why not all beings in the higher realms (or gods or whatever) are not all destined to nibbana without ever returning to the human realm? what is it that makes the case of the non-returner so unique that he does not have to return to the human realm while other deities can go to lower realms?salayatananirodha wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:17 pm wrong
non-returners attain nibbāna without ever returning to the human world
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"
This was the last word of the Tathagata.
This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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Re: What is the reason that only a human can attain Nibbana?
Animals - woeful realm, eat or be eaten, constantly on guard for predators or looking for the next kill for your food.
Devas - they can realize nibbana from the deva realms, for example the non-returners from suddhavasa.
Devas or humans can realize nibbana.
Devas - they can realize nibbana from the deva realms, for example the non-returners from suddhavasa.
Devas or humans can realize nibbana.
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Maybe they have a little label attached: "Non-returner. Do not forward to the lower realms"Bundokji wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:45 pmIf a non-returner is destined to nibbana without ever returning to the human world, then why not all beings in the higher realms (or gods or whatever) are not all destined to nibbana without ever returning to the human realm? what is it that makes the case of the non-returner so unique that he does not have to return to the human realm while other deities can go to lower realms?salayatananirodha wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:17 pm wrong
non-returners attain nibbāna without ever returning to the human world
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Could someone please do a nice infographic or chart depicting all the possible permutations, so that we can reference it with ease? (Or maybe it already exists?)
if human attains stream entry --> rebirth in ... or ...
if human attains once-return --> rebirth in ... or ...
if deva attains ... --> rebirth in ... or ...
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!