What are ten Mara (Dasa Mara)?

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SarathW wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:54 am Don't let the Mara getting to you.
OK. I will try to have patience with SarathW. :jedi: :smile:
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:rofl:
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Ven Vijithananda gave a detailed analysis of this topic.
According to him, there are Mara Dhamma (ten) and Bodhipakhiya Dhamma (37)
A person who overcomes the first five Mara dhamma moves to the Jhana and is subjected to the rest of the five Mara Dhamma (Vipassana Upaklesha).
I found that the following Mara Dhamma worth noticing.

Discontent - arati: This is the case ware the meditator is back paddling instead of stay in the course. These include
- Go back to Samatha practice instead of practicing breath
- Go back to pursuits involve with Sila
- Trying to involve engaging Buddhism
- Trying to save the whole world etc.

Craving - taṇhā - This is where the practitioner deeply involves the theoretical aspect of Buddha's teaching.
- Experiments with different methods.
- Too much questioning and analysing the Dhamma.

Conceit and ingratitude - makkha+thambha This is the overestimation of your progress.
- Thinking that you have attained certain Jhana.
- Thinking that you have attained a certain level of Nibbana - Sotapanna, etc.
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According to Ven. Vijithananda, the sequence of ten Mara also important.
For instance, when a person is overcome by sensual pleasures it is the strongest.
That means you will be overcome by second Mara only when you defeated the first Mara.
When you are overcome by hunger, the first two Maras are defeated and so on.
According to this analysis if you are sleeping all the other four Mara's are subdued until you wake up.
If you overcome by any of the first four Maras you can't sleep.
Sloth and torpor (thinamiddha) is the strongest of all and all other Mars is overcome by it.
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It is important to understand the nature of the second Mara or Arati. I think the meaning of Arati should have come from Hindu (Brahmana) language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarti

The Nibbana progress in four stages.
1)Dana (Amisa Puja)
2)Sila
3)Samath (ten wholesome actions or Dasa Kusal)
4)Vipassana or Adikusla

What Arati means when the meditator starts Vipassana meditation he is going back (backpedaling) to the previous stages he has already completed as it is more pleasurable and easy for him than the fourth stage. For instance, it is easy for me to spend my time in this forum and listening to Youtube videos than practicing meditation. Now I am overcome by the Mara.

This matter is discussed in the following video in the Sinhalese language.

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Good writing on the Ten Armies of Mara.
Study how ten Army of Mara hinder your progress in meditation.
Please post if you have any other sources.

http://www.purifymind.com/TenArmyMara.htm
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DooDoot wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:34 am 1. Sensual pleasures - kāma

2. Discontent - arati

3. Hunger and thirst - khuppipāsā

4. Craving - taṇhā

5. Sloth and torpor - thinamiddha

6. Fear - bhīru

7. Doubt - vicikicchā

8. Conceit and ingratitude - makkha+thambha

9. Gain, renown, and honor, falsely received - lābho siloko sakkāro, micchāladdho ca yo yaso

10. Self-exaltation and disparaging others - samukkaṃse para ca avajānati

(from Sutta Nipata 3.2) https://suttacentral.net/snp3.2/pli/ms :smile:

SarathW wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:57 am
Makubhawa (Arogance?)
Perhaps this is the overestimation of your attainments.
Thinking that you are Sotapanna etc.
makkha+thambha
makkha
masculine
depreciation of another's [such as Sotapanna's] worth. :shock:

makkha2
anger rage :o
thambha
masculine

hardness, rigidity; arrogance [such as Sinhalese Nationalism] :mrgreen: .
It seems number 8 makkha - depreciation of other
and number 10 disparaging other are similar !
Number 1 sense pleasure & number 4 craving or Desire are not different .
You always gain by giving
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It seems number 8 makkha - depreciation of other
and number 10 disparaging other are similar !
Number 1 sense pleasure & number 4 craving or Desire are not different .
I think they are subtly different.
Perhaps we should seek further clarification from some one more familiar with this.
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I just wonder whether Arati means rites and rituals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarti
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sentinel wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:23 am
DooDoot wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:34 am 1. Sensual pleasures - kāma

2. Discontent - arati

3. Hunger and thirst - khuppipāsā

4. Craving - taṇhā

5. Sloth and torpor - thinamiddha

6. Fear - bhīru

7. Doubt - vicikicchā

8. Conceit and ingratitude - makkha+thambha

9. Gain, renown, and honor, falsely received - lābho siloko sakkāro, micchāladdho ca yo yaso

10. Self-exaltation and disparaging others - samukkaṃse para ca avajānati

(from Sutta Nipata 3.2) https://suttacentral.net/snp3.2/pli/ms :smile:

SarathW wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:57 am
Perhaps this is the overestimation of your attainments.
Thinking that you are Sotapanna etc.
makkha+thambha
makkha
masculine
depreciation of another's [such as Sotapanna's] worth. :shock:

makkha2
anger rage :o
thambha
masculine

hardness, rigidity; arrogance [such as Sinhalese Nationalism] :mrgreen: .
It seems number 8 makkha - depreciation of other
and number 10 disparaging other are similar !
Number 1 sense pleasure & number 4 craving or Desire are not different .
I spoke to a monk and he explained it this way:
- Makkha - Not valuing others' attainment or not appreciating the virtues of others. (See Dodoot's explanation)
- Thambha - Rigidity. Thamaha means a strong wooden post which can not be bend. Not flexible-
- No 10 - Disparaging others means boasting. (over the assessment of yourself)
- No 1 - five sensual codes. (ear, nose, tongue,eye and body)
- No 4 - Craving Perhaps craving of the mind. Which include all cravings.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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