Consciousness as nama ?
Consciousness as nama ?
Did the Buddha categorized consciousness as nama ? Or He didnt ?
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https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html"And what is name-&-form? Feeling, perception, intention, contact, & attention: This is called name. The four great elements, and the form dependent on the four great elements: This is called form. This name & this form are called name-&-form.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html"Very well then, Kotthita my friend, I will give you an analogy; for there are cases where it is through the use of an analogy that intelligent people can understand the meaning of what is being said. It is as if two sheaves of reeds were to stand leaning against one another. In the same way, from name-&-form as a requisite condition comes consciousness, from consciousness as a requisite condition comes name-&-form.
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Vinnana (consiousness) paccaya (depend on) Nama-rupa (name and form)
Nama-rupa paccaya Vinnana.
This is the same as the simile in the previous post.
Nama-rupa paccaya Vinnana.
This is the same as the simile in the previous post.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Consciousness as nama ?
The question is which group should consciousness suppose to be , nama or rupa ?
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Another classification is Rupa (Pathavi, Apo, Tejo,Vayo) space and consciousness.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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Irrelevant question. Namarupa does not mean the five aggregates.
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Re: Consciousness as nama ?
Either you didn't read the sutta quotes or you did not understand them. They say that consciousness isn't categorized under nama-rupa.
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I don't think we will ever understand this dichotomy.
It is a chicken and egg question.
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I did read , but i just read that someone saids according to sa 298 , the nama includes feeling perception intention consciousness , so , now we have two version .
https://suttacentral.net/sa298/lzh/taisho
云何名?謂四無色陰——
受陰、想陰、行陰、識陰。
And what is nama ? Namely four non rupa khandas ~~ feeling khanda perception khanda intention khanda consciousness khanda .
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Obviously if one follows sutta there is only one version. If you follow after everything "someone says" you might end up with countless versions.sentinel wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:19 amI did read , but i just read that someone saids according to sa 298 , the nama includes feeling perception intention consciousness , so , now we have two version .
https://suttacentral.net/sa298/lzh/taisho
云何名?謂四無色陰——
受陰、想陰、行陰、識陰。
And what is nama ? Namely four non rupa khandas ~~ feeling khanda perception khanda intention khanda consciousness khanda .
Cleared. αδόξαστος.
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No , you missed the point , not someone says , the sa298 Parralel of sn12.2 he pointed out .SteRo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:25 amObviously if one follows sutta there is only one version. If you follow after everything "someone says" you might end up with countless versions.sentinel wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:19 amI did read , but i just read that someone saids according to sa 298 , the nama includes feeling perception intention consciousness , so , now we have two version .
https://suttacentral.net/sa298/lzh/taisho
云何名?謂四無色陰——
受陰、想陰、行陰、識陰。
And what is nama ? Namely four non rupa khandas ~~ feeling khanda perception khanda intention khanda consciousness khanda .
Probably most people only believes what they want to believe such as limited to sn12.2 .
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sa298 is not Theravada. sa298 is for heretics. sa298 is obviously not a "parallel" because it is different to SN 12.2.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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I dont think you ever read agama probably due to your untrained in the language .
You seems to disregard almost everything .
Well , if it is not Theravada i dont think suttacentral would include it as their early texts . And for your heretic view , i guess nothing ever seems right .
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It's not about belief. It is about following a teaching. if you prefer to follow different teachings then you will have such issues as you are demonstrating. it is totally up to you. Your issues aren't the issues of those who only follow one teaching.
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Nope , it is the same teaching . You appear to be ignorant like many about agama and its historical facts , so , nevermind just leave it aside .
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