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What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:48 am
by SarathW
What are Samprapalapa?
What is the reason we engage in Samprapalapa?
Is that the attachment, aversion or ignorance?
For instance, lying is a result of aversion, harsh speech is a result of aversion, backbiting is a result of aversion.

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:55 am
by Sam Vara
I understand palāpa to mean something like "nonsense" or "pointless, idle talk", but what is the "Sampra" bit?

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:27 am
by DooDoot
Sam Vara wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:55 am I understand palāpa to mean something like "nonsense" or "pointless, idle talk", but what is the "Sampra" bit?
samphappalāpā
And what is right speech?
Katamā ca, bhikkhave, sammāvācā?

Avoiding speech that’s false, divisive, harsh or nonsensical.
Yā kho, bhikkhave, musāvādā veramaṇī, pisuṇāya vācāya veramaṇī, pharusāya vācāya veramaṇī, samphappalāpā veramaṇī—

https://suttacentral.net/sn45.8/en/sujato
sampha
neuter
frivolity; useless talk.
palāpa
masculine
chaff (of corn); prattle; nonsense; voice of essence.

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:28 am
by Wizard in the Forest
He means samphappalāpā, which is the word that means talking nonsense, or unbeneficial speech.

And my guess is that people do it out of a combination of delusion and either greed or hatred.

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:19 pm
by justindesilva
SarathW wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:48 am What are Samprapalapa?
What is the reason we engage in Samprapalapa?
Is that the attachment, aversion or ignorance?
For instance, lying is a result of aversion, harsh speech is a result of aversion, backbiting is a result of aversion.
Sampappralapa is unreal untrue slanderous speech. It is covered by musavada as in 4 th precept.
Sampappralapa is made by vexed people of jealousy with aversion.

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:38 pm
by Sam Vara
DooDoot wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:27 am .....
Ah, thank you! :anjali:

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:39 pm
by Sam Vara
Wizard in the Forest wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:28 am He means samphappalāpā, which is the word that means talking nonsense, or unbeneficial speech.

And my guess is that people do it out of a combination of delusion and either greed or hatred.
...And thanks to you, too, Wizard. I should have spent more time thinking what it might be! :anjali:

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:52 pm
by chownah
Wizard in the Forest wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:28 am He means samphappalāpā, which is the word that means talking nonsense, or unbeneficial speech.

And my guess is that people do it out of a combination of delusion and either greed or hatred.
Some people do it with babies.....it can be really funny to watch....goochie goo y'all!
chownah

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:56 pm
by SarathW
justindesilva wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:19 pm
SarathW wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:48 am What are Samprapalapa?
What is the reason we engage in Samprapalapa?
Is that the attachment, aversion or ignorance?
For instance, lying is a result of aversion, harsh speech is a result of aversion, backbiting is a result of aversion.
Sampappralapa is unreal untrue slanderous speech. It is covered by musavada as in 4 th precept.
Sampappralapa is made by vexed people of jealousy with aversion.
Isn't this Pisunavaca?

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:02 pm
by SarathW
I Googled and found the following.
Could someone provide the Sutta reference?
It seems Sampappalapa is much worse than lying, harsh speech and backbiting.
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By engaging in these 32 types of talks, one will develop greed (lobha), illwill (Dosa), ignorance (Moha) which are hazardous to the eight fold path or Nibbana. There fore one must abstain from these 32 types of talks & engage in 10 types of useful talks Preached in Rathavineeta Sutta in Majjima Nikaya which will be discussed in the next post.

https://thebuddhadhamma.wordpress.com/2 ... his-katha/

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:08 pm
by DooDoot
Sam Vara wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:38 pm Ah, thank you!
Its difficult when others engage in samphappalāpā by asking questions in foreign languages such as Sinhala & Sanskrit. May you be well. May you be free from suffering. May all beings be free from the suffering of trying to understand lazy questions in foreign languages such as Sinhala & Sanskrit.

:anjali:

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:08 pm
by SarathW
he gives talks to the monks on fewness of wants. Contented himself, he gives talks to the monks on contentment. Secluded himself, he gives talks to the monks on seclusion. Unentangled himself, he gives talks to the monks on non-entanglement. Having aroused persistence in himself, he gives talks to the monks on arousing persistence. Consummate in his own virtue, he gives talks to the monks on becoming consummate in virtue. Consummate in his own concentration, he gives talks to the monks on becoming consummate in concentration. Consummate in his own discernment, he gives talks to the monks on becoming consummate in discernment. Consummate in his own release, he gives talks to the monks on becoming consummate in release. Consummate in his own knowledge & vision of release, he gives talks to the monks on becoming consummate in the knowledge & vision of release.[1] He is one who exhorts, informs, instructs, urges, rouses, & encourages his companions in the holy life.'"
Ratha-vinita sutta
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:10 pm
by SarathW
SarathW wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:02 pm I Googled and found the following.
Could someone provide the Sutta reference for 32 types of talks?
It seems Sampappalapa is much worse than lying, harsh speech and backbiting.
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By engaging in these 32 types of talks, one will develop greed (lobha), illwill (Dosa), ignorance (Moha) which are hazardous to the eight fold path or Nibbana. There fore one must abstain from these 32 types of talks & engage in 10 types of useful talks Preached in Rathavineeta Sutta in Majjima Nikaya which will be discussed in the next post.

https://thebuddhadhamma.wordpress.com/2 ... his-katha/

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:13 pm
by SarathW
please delete

Re: What are Samprapalapa?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:18 pm
by SarathW
SarathW wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:13 pm
DooDoot wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:08 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:38 pm Ah, thank you!
Its difficult when others engage in samphappalāpā by asking questions in foreign languages such as Sinhala & Sanskrit. May you be well. May you be free from suffering. May all beings be free from the suffering of trying to understand lazy questions in foreign languages such as Sinhala & Sanskrit.

:anjali:
In case someone likes to know this is called the tenth Mara.
The way I understand the tenth Mara is a very higher level of mental states if you have surpassed five hindrances.
Otherwise, this is a very lower level of human.
:mrgreen:
:focus:

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