Gwi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:41 pm
The point is spe*m is a taboo.
So, use "gandhabbå".
Gandhabbå not spe*m,
just a pseudonym.
Majjhima Nikāyå 38--Mahātaṇhāsaṅkhaya Suttank:
"Mendicants, when three things come together an embryo is conceived. In a case where the mother and father come together, but the mother is not in the fertile part of her menstrual cycle, and the spirit being [gandhabbå = not spirit] reborn is not present, the embryo is not conceived. In a case where the mother and father come together, the mother is in the fertile part of her menstrual cycle, but the spirit being reborn is not present, the embryo is not conceived. But when these three things come together—the mother and father come together, the mother is in the fertile part of her menstrual cycle, and the spirit being [gandhabbå = not spirit] reborn is present—an embryo is conceived."
Translate by Ashin Khemindattherå:
"Para bhikkhu, kemunculan pembuahan (GABBHÅ) terjadi melalui pertemuan tiga hal. Dalam hal ini, terjadi pertemuan antara ibu dan ayah, akan tetapi ibu tidak sedang dalam musimnya dan tidak ada gandhabba, selama hal tersebut terjadi maka tidak ada kemunculan gabbha. Berkaitan dengan hal ini, terjadi pertemuan antara ibu dan ayah; ibu berada dalam musimnya dan gandhabba tidak ada maka selama hal tersebut terjadi tidak ada kemunculan gabbha."
Gabbhå = fertilization (process) = pembuahan (Indo)
Change gandhabbå into sp*rm.
Translate that into english using google translate.
That Mahātaṇhāsaṅkhaya Suttanta taught by the Blessed One is true. So is Bhante Kheminda when he quoted the Sutta text. There is no contradiction between them and my points.
Father + Mother, Mother in season, Being destined to reborn (Gandhabba) = Jati of a Being
None of these contradict with Bhava Sutta and Paticca Samuppada, for the Gandhabba is always refer to the being that bound for Samsara:
1) In Bhava Sutta, it was the consciousness served as 'bija' for subsequent birth (if still cannot gain Nibbana in previous life);
2) in Paticca Samuppada, it was Vinnana paccaya Namarupa;
3) in Abhidhamma, when after the death (or Cuti Vinnana diminishes), it was the first consciousness arises at the destination of subsequent rebirth, thus knowing as Patisandhi Citta.
All of them carry the same meaning as referring to the consciousness of "Being to be born, not released from Samsara". Not biological male semen fluid or more precise, spermatozoa.
Btw, why you change the meaning of the Pali word as to your will? Wouldn't that be an act of distorting Dhamma?
Taboo or no taboo, as I said, Buddha roars like a mighty Lion to four corners of the world without any restrictions in terminology and phrases. If He wish to speak the Dhamma, He will do so without being trapped by taboo. Just as Vinaya, the word "semen" was mentioned; just as Brahmayu's cases, He showed his private part via Iddhi; Buddha will say what He want to say according to the Dhamma He realised.