Is Nirvana a suicide in the good sense of the word?

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Is Nirvana a suicide in the good sense of the word?

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Is Nirvana a suicide in the good sense of the word?

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Is Nirvana a suicide in the good sense of the word?
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No, because one can't kill that which never has existed.
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from what i read in sutta, parinibbana is when u die and lose all exp and never get any exp back ...

if there is exp, buddha would have told it but he didnt...

nibbana means not cliniing to anything so u live in peace irrespective of external situation...

I may be wrong too

but normal sucide is not nibbana as it lead to hell rebirth
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What is "the good sense of the word 'suicide' "?
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Viachh wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:26 pm Is Nirvana a suicide in the good sense of the word?
No. Suicide implies indulging in an act that is designed to cease sending oxygen to the brain. Hence .. Nibbana is not suicide.

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The Buddha said the only thing it is alright to kill is anger. So there is no good sense of the word suicide.
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Viachh wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:26 pm Is Nirvana a suicide in the good sense of the word?
Meaning of Nirvana is getting into a state of mind with no desires. From this state a condition of rebecoming after death or rebirth does not arise. A cuticitta is not arising. Hence there is no wish here to kill ones own self. The conditions of Paticca samuppada are unconditioned.
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The view that there is a self which ceases to exist is annihilationism.
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Nibbana is the unfabricated, so conceiving of it as "suicide" is missing the point.
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Ceisiwr wrote: The view that there is a self which ceases to exist is annihilationism.
no self is annihilationism
Ananda Sutta wrote:If I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self — were to answer that there is no self, that would be conforming with those brahmans & contemplatives who are exponents of annihilationism.
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Crazy cloud wrote: No, because one can't kill that which never has existed.
sorry but you exist
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cappuccino wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:37 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: The view that there is a self which ceases to exist is annihilationism.
no self is annihilationism
Ananda Sutta wrote:If I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self — were to answer that there is no self, that would be conforming with those brahmans & contemplatives who are exponents of annihilationism.
The annihilationism referred to there is "I have no self", which still revolves around self, instead of seeing that all dhammas are empty of self or what belongs to a self. You quote this suttas ad nauseam as if it somehow justifies your semi-eternalistic soul beliefs, but it doesn't. You never quote the end of the sutta:
"And if I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self — were to answer that there is no self, the bewildered Vacchagotta would become even more bewildered: 'Does the self I used to have now not exist?'"
The self is not pinned down as a truth or a reality. Time to get over it. The clock is ticking.
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cappuccino wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:37 pm
Crazy cloud wrote: No, because one can't kill that which never has existed.
sorry but you exist
Yes I exist in this unreal fleeting world, but there are no I in true sense. Exist, means to stand out, and since there is no one standing out, one can't say one exist.
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confusedlayman wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:00 pm from what i read in sutta, parinibbana is when u die and lose all exp and never get any exp back ...
its not. parinibbana is not always used to referring to the ending of experience. also, there is no "you" and no "death" in nibbana
confusedlayman wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:00 pmI may be wrong too
yes, wrong

just posting personal opinion without quoting sutta leads to wrongness & slandering (lying) about what buddha taught
confusedlayman wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:00 pmbut normal sucide is not nibbana as it lead to hell rebirth
no evidence for the above. it sounds like more expert false speech
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And if I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self — were to answer that there is no self, the bewildered Vacchagotta would become even more bewildered: 'Does the self I used to have now not exist?'
read and understand


because the comments above are bewildered
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