Near and Far Enemies of Brahma Viharas

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Near and Far Enemies of Brahma Viharas

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Hello. Does anybody have an early reference to Near and Far Enemies of the Brahma Viharas? Lots on line, but no references. Thank you.
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Generally the nivaranas (hindrances): sensual desire (kamacchanda), ill-will (vyapada), sloth and drowsiness (thina-middha), restlessness and worry (uddhacca-kukkucca) and doubt (vicikiccha) as enemies of every concentration. But that might not be what you are intending to get at.
Can you define "Near Enemies" and "Far Enemies"?
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SteRo wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:05 pm Generally the nivaranas (hindrances): sensual desire (kamacchanda), ill-will (vyapada), sloth and drowsiness (thina-middha), restlessness and worry (uddhacca-kukkucca) and doubt (vicikiccha) as enemies of every concentration. But that might not be what you are intending to get at.
Can you define "Near Enemies" and "Far Enemies"?
for metta, near enemy is lust love.. far enemy is anger

for equnimity near enemy is (i dont know) and far enemy is up and down emotion?

for compassion near enemy is ?? far enemy is crulelity

for sympethetic joy near enemy is?? far enemy is jealously?

i dont do brahma vihara these days as it just stiffens and conditions the brain nerves and emotion center..
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SteRo wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:05 pm Generally the nivaranas (hindrances): sensual desire (kamacchanda), ill-will (vyapada), sloth and drowsiness (thina-middha), restlessness and worry (uddhacca-kukkucca) and doubt (vicikiccha) as enemies of every concentration. But that might not be what you are intending to get at.
Can you define "Near Enemies" and "Far Enemies"?
how do u get rid of 5 hinderances? non apprehence of signs? suchness based no abiding?
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confusedlayman wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:41 pm
SteRo wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:05 pm Generally the nivaranas (hindrances): sensual desire (kamacchanda), ill-will (vyapada), sloth and drowsiness (thina-middha), restlessness and worry (uddhacca-kukkucca) and doubt (vicikiccha) as enemies of every concentration. But that might not be what you are intending to get at.
Can you define "Near Enemies" and "Far Enemies"?
for metta, near enemy is lust love.. far enemy is anger
Ah ... understand ... makes sense.
confusedlayman wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:41 pm for equnimity near enemy is (i dont know) and far enemy is up and down emotion?
Near enemy might be indifference? Far enemy might be easily getting upset?
confusedlayman wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:41 pm for compassion near enemy is ?? far enemy is crulelity
Near enemy might be pity or suffering oneself in the face of other's suffering?
confusedlayman wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:41 pm for sympethetic joy near enemy is?? far enemy is jealously?
Near enemy might be self-centered happiness? Yes jealously might be far enemy.

confusedlayman wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:42 pm
SteRo wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:05 pm Generally the nivaranas (hindrances): sensual desire (kamacchanda), ill-will (vyapada), sloth and drowsiness (thina-middha), restlessness and worry (uddhacca-kukkucca) and doubt (vicikiccha) as enemies of every concentration. But that might not be what you are intending to get at.
Can you define "Near Enemies" and "Far Enemies"?
how do u get rid of 5 hinderances? non apprehence of signs? suchness based no abiding?
Actually my meditation isn't very 'Theravada style'. Meditation on emptiness removes the hindrances naturally.
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The Visuddhimagga:
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/aut ... on2011.pdf
p. 370 (file) / p. 312 (book)
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ballen wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:47 pm Does anybody have an early reference to Near and Far Enemies of the Brahma Viharas?
Visuddhimagga, chapter IX wrote: The divine abiding of loving-kindness has greed as its near enemy, since both share in seeing virtues. Greed behaves like a foe who keeps close by a man, and it easily finds an opportunity. So loving-kindness should be well protected from it. And ill will, which is dissimilar to the similar greed, is its far enemy like a foe ensconced in a rock wilderness. So loving-kindness must be practiced free from fear of that; for it is not possible to practice loving-kindness and feel anger simultaneously (see D III 247–48).

Compassion has grief based on the home life as its near enemy, since both share in seeing failure. Such grief has been described in the way beginning, “When a man either regards as a privation failure to obtain visible objects cognizable by the eye that are sought after, desired, agreeable, gratifying and associated with worldliness, or when he recalls those formerly obtained that are past, ceased and changed, then grief arises in him. Such grief as this is called grief based on the home life” (M III 218). And cruelty, which is dissimilar to the similar grief, is its far enemy. So compassion must be practiced free from fear of that; for it is not possible to practice compassion and be cruel to breathing things simultaneously.

Gladness has joy based on the home life as its near enemy, since both share in seeing success. Such joy has been described in the way beginning, “When a man either regards as gain the obtaining of visible objects cognizable by the eye that are sought … and associated with worldliness, or recalls those formerly obtained that are past, ceased, and changed, then joy arises in him. Such joy as this is called joy based on the home life” (M III 217). And aversion (boredom), which is dissimilar to the similar joy, is its far enemy. So gladness should be practiced free from fear of that; for it is not possible to practice gladness and be discontented with remote abodes and things connected with the higher profitableness simultaneously.

Equanimity has the equanimity of unknowing based on the home life as its near enemy, since both share in ignoring faults and virtues. Such unknowing has been described in the way beginning, “On seeing a visible object with the eye equanimity arises in the foolish infatuated ordinary man, in the untaught ordinary man who has not conquered his limitations, who has not conquered future [kamma] result, who is unperceiving of danger. Such equanimity as this does not surmount the visible object. Such equanimity as this is called equanimity based on the home life” (M III 219). And greed and resentment, which are dissimilar to the similar unknowing, are its far enemies. Therefore equanimity must be practiced free from fear of that; for it is not possible to look on with equanimity and be inflamed with greed or be resentful simultaneously.
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A handy chart from Andrew Olendzki:

http://nebula.wsimg.com/0ad4ca566b735b2 ... oworigin=1
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Here's a link to the relevant portion of the Visuddhimagga in English and Pali.

https://tipitaka.theravada.su/node/table/32970

There's a fair number of English interpretations of the near and far enemy language so it's useful to check against the Pali.
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kanyan wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:42 pm Here's a link to the relevant portion of the Visuddhimagga in English and Pali.

https://tipitaka.theravada.su/node/table/32970

There's a fair number of English interpretations of the near and far enemy language so it's useful to check against the Pali.
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The website is in Russian. It seems Theravada established in Mother Russia too?

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Ontheway wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:10 pm
kanyan wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:42 pm Here's a link to the relevant portion of the Visuddhimagga in English and Pali.

https://tipitaka.theravada.su/node/table/32970

There's a fair number of English interpretations of the near and far enemy language so it's useful to check against the Pali.
But still so many kidnappings and assasination

:goodpost:

The website is in Russian. It seems Theravada established in Mother Russia too?

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confusedlayman wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:54 am
Ontheway wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:10 pm
kanyan wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:42 pm Here's a link to the relevant portion of the Visuddhimagga in English and Pali.

https://tipitaka.theravada.su/node/table/32970

There's a fair number of English interpretations of the near and far enemy language so it's useful to check against the Pali.
But still so many kidnappings and assasination

:goodpost:

The website is in Russian. It seems Theravada established in Mother Russia too?

Ura
Maybe they need social credit system :rofl:
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