Why should a good man disdain human life?

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Why should a good man disdain human life?

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“Appamāyu manussānaṃ, hīḷeyya naṃ suporiso;
Careyyādittasīsova, natthi maccussa nāgamo”ti.(S I 108)

[The Blessed One:]
Short is the life span of human beings,
The good man should disdain it.
One should live like one with head aflame:
There is no avoiding Death's arrival.
---English translation by Bodhi Bhikkhu

Doesn't "hīḷeyya" imply that the Buddha has an unwholesome mental state?
Why should life be distained?
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the truth is inconvenient
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cappuccino wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:14 am the truth is inconvenient
Do you mean the Truth is beyond wholesome and unwholesome?
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sma wrote:
cappuccino wrote: the truth is inconvenient
Do you mean the Truth is beyond wholesome and unwholesome?
I mean the truth is not convenient
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sma wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:06 am “Appamāyu manussānaṃ, hīḷeyya naṃ suporiso;
Careyyādittasīsova, natthi maccussa nāgamo”ti.(S I 108)

[The Blessed One:]
Short is the life span of human beings,
The good man should disdain it.
One should live like one with head aflame:
There is no avoiding Death's arrival.
---English translation by Bodhi Bhikkhu

Doesn't "hīḷeyya" imply that the Buddha has an unwholesome mental state?
Why should life be distained?
Disdain there is based on discernment. As a man who loves life would disdain poison. As a man desiring the highest happiness would disdain a lesser happiness.
It is mere discrimination.
'Bhikkhus, possessing three qualities, a bhikkhu is practicing the unmistaken way and has laid the groundwork for the destruction of the taints. What three? Here, a bhikkhu guards the doors of the sense faculties, observes moderation in eating, and is intent on wakefulness. He should develop perception of unattractiveness so as to abandon lust... good will so as to abandon ill will... mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off distractive thinking... the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.
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"Disdain" is probably too loaded a word. "Transcend" and "rise above" sound better to me.
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sma wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:06 am Doesn't "hīḷeyya" imply that the Buddha has an unwholesome mental state?
No, it implies the Buddha is teaching people how train their mind to stop making suffering.
Why should life be distained?
The same reason why the Buddha teaches anything. Because craving it causes suffering. Regarding it with disdain is an effective technique to break that craving.
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sma wrote:Why should life be distained?
It's important to notice the full context. In that story, the Buddha simply countered the point Mara was trying to make:
SN 4.9 wrote:Then Mara the Evil One approached the Blessed One and addressed him in verse:

“Long is the life span of human beings,
The good man should not disdain it.
One should live like a milk-sucking baby:
Death has not made its arrival.”

The Blessed One:

“Short is the life span of human beings,
The good man should disdain it.
One should live like one with head aflame:
There is no avoiding Death’s arrival.”

Then Mara the Evil One … disappeared right there.
And Comy.'s explanation:
Spk paraphrases: 'Mara said: The good man should live like a baby who, after drinking milk, might lie down on a blanket and fall asleep, unconcerned whether life is long or short.'
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cappuccino wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:14 amthe truth is inconvenient
Or religion/spirituality, like pop culture, insists on a caricature of humanity.
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insists on a caricature of humanity.
?
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simsapa wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:11 pm
insists on a caricature of humanity.
?
Do people really believe that the truth is "inconvenient"? Is it true that people "can't handle the truth"?
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