Where should I ordain between India and Thailand?

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JC938
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Re: Where should I ordain between India and Thailand?

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sakyan wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:07 pm
JC938 wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:48 pm Hi,

I'm having a problem. I want to become a monk but can't decide if I should become a monk in Thailand or India.

I'm born and live in Thailand and knows thai.

But I'm originally Indian and knows Hindi and like to "think" in Hindi. I learn dhamma very quickly when I hear the words in Hindi or sanskrit, for example, I have never understood what is the meaning of ego, but once I hear Ahamkar, I quickly get what it means.

I prefer India because my face is an indian plus I like Hinduism and want to learn sanskrit in some college in India aswell.

But I live in Thailand and I have no money to travel to India right now. But I want to go to India to be a monk there.

Thailand is also ok, I see some Indians in India wants to be a monk in Thailand and I'm like, how come.

My question is, where do you think i should ordain, actually ordaining in Thailand should be much easier for me, but I don't want to be stuck in the monastery, I want to travel, explore and learn aswell, but I'm not sure I will get money to go to India once I become a monk here.

Thanks for your answers.
You said you like Hinduism but Hinduism is nothing but a collection of views and theories. Also Sanskrit is a mere language. It is not proper for wise ones interested in nibbana to waste time over such things.

Buddha Dhamma is far superior, there is no superior thing than the dhamma. It is better to ordain and practice in Thailand without wasting any time.

Dhamma and the 4 Noble truths are same in India or Thailand or in any part of the world.
The goal of all religions is the same which is Nibbana.
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Re: Where should I ordain between India and Thailand?

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Interesting post. It seems obvious to me that to be a Theravada monk Thailand would be a much better place than India. Why would you want to go back to India to learn Hinduism and Sanskrit to be a Theravada monk? Sanskrit sounds interesting but it's hardly necessary. And the living conditions are very uncomfortable in India compared to Thailand. Or that doesn't bother you?
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Re: Where should I ordain between India and Thailand?

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JC938 wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:17 pm The goal of all religions is the same which is Nibbana. I follow both hinduism and buddhism. They are very similar.

But you are right that we should practice more and read lesser. Because even if we knows alot but dont practice, then it is of no use. Buddha taught a direct path to Nibbana which I'm trying to walk on.
Hinduism and Buddhism may share a similar goal but the difference between their teachings is very large. One cannot be liberated by following Hinduism because it totally ignores the path to the total ending of all suffering.

Hindu philosophy believes in wrong theories of an unchanging Self and sees attainment of Nibbana through union with it. But in reality when analyzed with wisdom not a single khanda can be found unchanging. It's all impermanent, impermanent hence there can never be an unchanging Self.

Buddha's dhamma on the other hand is totally pure, sublime and free from all faults and wrong views.

Anyone looking for Nibbana should look only at Buddha's dhamma. The Buddha Dhamma is so pure and beautiful that it is the most precious thing in the entire universe.
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Re: Where should I ordain between India and Thailand?

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My question is, where do you think i should ordain, actually ordaining in Thailand should be much easier for me, but I don't want to be stuck in the monastery, I want to travel, explore and learn aswell, but I'm not sure I will get money to go to India once I become a monk here.
You can travel, explore, and learn as a layperson. If you really love Buddhism, just practice sīla, samādhi, and paññā where you are with what you have. No need to put on different clothes when all you have to do is change the mind.
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Re: Where should I ordain between India and Thailand?

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simsapa wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:25 am
My question is, where do you think i should ordain, actually ordaining in Thailand should be much easier for me, but I don't want to be stuck in the monastery, I want to travel, explore and learn aswell, but I'm not sure I will get money to go to India once I become a monk here.
You can travel, explore, and learn as a layperson. If you really love Buddhism, just practice sīla, samādhi, and paññā where you are with what you have. No need to put on different clothes when all you have to do is change the mind.
Official religion in Thailand is Theravada Buddhism.
However the problem arises whether one wants to get ordained as a buddhist priest physically or psychologically.
If it is psychologically your home town could be sufficient. The motive of getting ordained is to end suffering.
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Re: Where should I ordain between India and Thailand?

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confusedlayman wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:02 pm
chownah wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:24 pm
JC938 wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:48 pm My question is, where do you think i should ordain, actually ordaining in Thailand should be much easier for me, but I don't want to be stuck in the monastery, I want to travel, explore and learn aswell, but I'm not sure I will get money to go to India once I become a monk here.

Thanks for your answers.
I might be wrong but I think that ordaining will sort of tie you down to one monastery pretty much for the first several years I think....if you want to travel and explore then probably better to not ordain....unless you are thinking that ordaining will provide you with a free ride.....monks do make money in Thailand even after only a few months after ordaining (or at least this is what happens sometimes at the wat in the village where I live in Thailand....combine this with virtually no living expense if one wants to live like an ascetic (many monks don't seem to want to live like an ascetic) and you could probably save some money pretty quickly (quickly means many months or couple of years I guess) and you could always defrock when you have saved enough and then go travel and re-ordain later.
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how will monks earn money?
By officiating at ceremonies....and perhaps through donations or gifts although I don't know about donations or gifts.......definitely they make money by officiating. There was a monk at the local temple here who saved enough money to "retire"....he defrocked, bought some land, got married.....etc. To be honest I must say that I don't know for sure how much money he had saved from being a monk and perhaps the money he used after he defrocked was money his family had for him or perhaps it was money through his wife.
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Re: Where should I ordain between India and Thailand?

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JC938 wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:17 pmThe goal of all religions is the same which is Nibbana. I follow both Hinduism and Buddhism. They are very similar.

But you are right that we should practice more and read less. Because even if we know a lot but don't practice, then it is of no use. Buddha taught a direct path to Nibbana which I'm trying to walk on.
You have a lot of misconceptions about the Buddha’s teaching. Buddhism and Hinduism are poles apart — do not be fooled by the similarity of terms, which is simply because Sanskrit and Pali share common roots. Do not try to ride two horses at once. If you want to ordain as a Buddhist monk that requires a full commitment to practise the Noble Eightfold Path, and to train in the Vinaya discipline.
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