Can you show me a proof that the phenomenon streamenterer excist?

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Can you show me a proof of that?
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user99 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:02 pm Can you show me a proof of that?
The only way to prove this is by you becoming one.
Just start this by observing five precepts then the rest will fall into place itself. (obviously you have to associate Kalyanamitta)
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you just assume it's true and practice for it


then you find it may be true indeed


but it's intelligent to assume it's true


after all
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user99 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:02 pm Can you show me a proof of that?
Even arhats exist till this day. Of course there are many sotapanna, sakadagami and anagami laymen and laywomen but they will not announce their attainments unless they think it is necessary for the sake of dhamma.

The best way to verify a sotapanna (stream-enterer) is to become one ourself. It's not that hard nor easy either, The Buddha called it a middle path for a reason. When five faculties of faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration and wisdom are sufficiently developed the result of stream-entry will show itself without even craving for it.

Following the true dhamma as per the instructions of the Buddha and Noble ones is what one should focus on.
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Accept the Stream yourself and it will flow over you, in pure Metta.
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user99 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:02 pm Can you show me a proof of that?
Try to use logic!

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Again this seems to be a thread about 'personal experience' which actually is misplaced in this section of the forum.
So I'ii respond like I would respond in the 'personal experience' section of this forum.

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user99 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:02 pm Can you show me a proof of that?
The question isn't appropriate because stream-entry is a quality of experience which of course cannot be shown to one who experiences differently. Experience has neither form, shape nor color, so how should it be shown?
Many persons might be shown but seeing the bodies of persons how could one see the quality of their experience?

If your question is an intellectual play then great!
If your question is the expression of doubt how should another one remove that doubt?
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SarathW wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:46 pm
user99 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:02 pm Can you show me a proof of that?
The only way to prove this is by you becoming one.
Just start this by observing five precepts then the rest will fall into place itself. (obviously you have to associate Kalyanamitta)
Reminds me of this: https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?p=209783#p209783
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SteRo wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:49 amIf your question is the expression of doubt how should another one remove that doubt?
By successfully deflecting responsibility.
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user99 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:02 pm Can you show me a proof of that?
Your question is basically if enlightenment exists if I am understanding right. Stream enterer is just the first step.
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dont cling to 5 aggregates then u will know for urself
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What is the five aggregates?
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user99 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:42 pm What is the five aggregates?
Form, feeling, perception, mental formations, and conciousness. User99, you may strongly benefit from an in-person teacher to help you. It can help you move faster along the path especially early on, or with struggles as you go.
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dharmacorps wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:09 pm
user99 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:42 pm What is the five aggregates?
Form, feeling, perception, mental formations, and conciousness. User99, you may strongly benefit from an in-person teacher to help you. It can help you move faster along the path especially early on, or with struggles as you go.
What does dont cling to form, feeling, perception, mental formations and conciousness mean?
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