Does the Dhamma take care of its own?

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cappuccino wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:45 pm
Mahabrahma wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:43 pm but Enlightenment is for everyone.
almost no one is enlightened


this is ever the case


stop being so deluded, please
There are infinite Enlightened beings in the Nirvana of the Spiritual World. This Saha world is just a little bubble where just a small amount of fallible beings have fallen into. The constitution of every living being gives them Buddha-Nature deep within them where they can be Enlightened.

There are many places where the majority of a civilization is not Enlightened, such is the case for modern Earth where it is estimated that only 2 percent of modern humanity is Enlightened (all thanks to Guatama and his followers).

But do not lack hope that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, that suffering will one day be ended for all. Some people insanely cling to suffering. Yes, there is the Truth of suffering, but there is also the Truth to end that suffering. Have hope, because although suffering is immense for many sometimes, it is also always temporary in every case.

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Mahabrahma wrote:… estimated that only 2 percent of modern humanity is Enlightened
I think less than 2 dozen

:shrug:
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cappuccino wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:35 pm I think less than 2 dozen

:shrug:
Could you share some of their email addresses, for the benefits of the crowds :popcorn:

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And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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Bundokji wrote:
cappuccino wrote: I think less than 2 dozen
Could you share some of their email addresses, for the benefits of the crowds
given the millions of Buddhists, merely a guess


in order to correct his delusion
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cappuccino wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:40 pm given the millions of Buddhists, merely a guess


in order to correct his delusion
How kind of you :group:
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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No_Mind wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:07 pm
If one lives very strictly in line with the Dhamma (dot all i's and cross all t's) it means giving up not only lust, greed and similar but also other important things that matter a lot ..

Such as networking .. online or offline .. (networking leads to mental proliferation)

Such as knowing/cultivating people who might come in handy later on .. being more nice than necessary to the neighborhood doctor .. because one might get corona ..

Being nice to nasty friends and relatives .. who knows when one might become unemployed and need help .. can't tell them they are right wing pigs .. have to nod when they espouse their wish to commence a pogrom against Muslims or something equally disgusting.

and so on ..

Basically being Dhammic means tossing out socializing and throwing all babies out with the social bath water (the babies that help us to survive in a society)
Living "very strictly in line with the Dhamma" probably means becoming a monk. There is a great deal more leeway if one is a householder, and all of the things you mention could be done by a sincere practitioner, but with the right intention and with no need to pretend things in order to gain personal security. If we know that our life is precarious and fragile, then we can take steps to protect our health and our livelihood without needing to pretend.
In your experience and understanding does the Dhamma protect and shield those who accept it with complete trust, faith, saddha?
Yes, in my experience it does. In my evening chanting book there is the phrase:
The Dhamma upholds those who uphold it from falling into delusion
I don't know which sutta/s that is from, but someone probably does. And in the Reflections on Sharing Blessings it has:
"Unsurpassed is the protection of the Dhamma"
There is also, of course, the Mahamangalasutta:
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
We go for refuge to the Dhamma. It may not give us the protection that we think we need - it won't ensure that people magically pop up in order to meet our needs - but it will guarantee that we do not commit wrongdoing.
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cappuccino wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:35 pm
Mahabrahma wrote:… estimated that only 2 percent of modern humanity is Enlightened
I think less than 2 dozen

:shrug:
Well I'm not going to argue. There are lower planets where there are an immensely small amount of people who are Enlightened within a given system, and if you are dealing with this system Enlightenment may be hard to find amidst it's populace. Regardless, our purpose is to bring others and ourselves to Enlightenment. We have no other purpose in Buddhism.
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By oneself is evil done; by oneself is one defiled. By oneself is evil left undone; by oneself is one made pure.

Purity and impurity depend on oneself; no one can purify another.

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Someone may not be able to force another to do good, but they can surely do good to them and show them the Way.
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Mahabrahma wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:17 pm
No_Mind wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:10 pm Can't agree. Being a good person does not include changing others to being good or curing them of their mistaken notions.

:namaste:
Yes it does. Not doing good makes you not a good person. It makes you selfish and lacking Loving-kindness. You are here to be with others in this world. So think: Why?

What if the Buddha didn't try to change other people for the better?
The Buddha nearly didn't try. After his awakening he decided to go into seclusion to enjoy Nibbanic bliss. He felt that his new found knowledge is too radical to be accepted by the masses. Thankfully Brahma Sahampati pleaded with him and changed his mind that he decided to teach.
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skandha wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:17 am
Mahabrahma wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:17 pm
No_Mind wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:10 pm Can't agree. Being a good person does not include changing others to being good or curing them of their mistaken notions.

:namaste:
Yes it does. Not doing good makes you not a good person. It makes you selfish and lacking Loving-kindness. You are here to be with others in this world. So think: Why?

What if the Buddha didn't try to change other people for the better?
The Buddha nearly didn't try. After his awakening he decided to go into seclusion to enjoy Nibbanic bliss. He felt that his new found knowledge is too radical to be accepted by the masses. Thankfully Brahma Sahampati pleaded with him and changed his mind that he decided to teach.
And here we are, trying, trying, trying, there will always be those to persuade others to preach their Buddhism. Of course, Buddha would have decided to preach anyway, it was predicted, and it is understood because of who He was. So heed my words to bring others to Buddhism to others as well, as we all fully have it in our Buddha-Nature. :smile:
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If you don't feed a fire it goes out, so sit back and watch the hearth cool down.


By abandoning the underlying tendencies to lust for pleasant feelings, to re-act with aversion to un-pleasant feelings, to re-act with ignorance to neutral feelings, the fire goes out. Wisdom arises.


Thus, it no longer matters what is happening. This is how the Dhamma shields. It is a direct result of the efforts that one has put in to walking the Path.


At the same time, nature dictates that as one aligns with the Dhamma, one tends to dwell in contact with Dhammic natures.
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Lust is bad, and we should not be averse to Love and pleasant things that arise from our Love. Such a thing is called rejection. Why reject the ones we Love?
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Understanding the dhamma, is like understanding that touching fire results in pain.

So there is nothing to "take care of", once you take your hand out of the fire, you will see. That happens when you overcome the 5 Hindrances and attain first jhana, that's like taking 90% of your hand out of the fire.

Identity view is what makes you stick your hand back into the fire, so by tackling Identity View you reduce your exposure to getting burned.

You touching fire and making contact with pain, is like your six senses touching impermanance and making contact with suffering.
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And because you are intelligent you won't put your hand into the fire again.
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