Ultimate stimulation ?

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Alino
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Ultimate stimulation ?

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Dear friends,

Investigating senses the questions arose :

Is there any form that once have been seen can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant forms?

Is there any sound that once have been heard can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant sounds?

...odour, taste, touch, thought...?

What are yours reflections and observations ?
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Alino wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:59 pm Dear friends,

Investigating senses the questions arose :

Is there any form that once have been seen can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant forms?

Is there any sound that once have been heard can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant sounds?

...odour, taste, touch, thought...?

What are yours reflections and observations ?
No.

Or if there is, I haven't encountered it. And if there were, someone would have sold it to Jeff Bezos or somesuch, and he would have destroyed it.
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Alino wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:59 pm Dear friends,

Investigating senses the questions arose :

Is there any form that once have been seen can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant forms?

Is there any sound that once have been heard can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant sounds?

...odour, taste, touch, thought...?

What are yours reflections and observations ?
Go work at Walt Disney World lol
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Sam Vara wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:06 pm No.

Or if there is, I haven't encountered it. And if there were, someone would have sold it to Jeff Bezos or somesuch, and he would have destroyed it.
Good evening Sam Vara 🙏😊

Its interesting how these questions point out to the unsatisfactory nature of senses, to the truth that there is no possibility to be satisfied by the sense stimulation, and there is no possibility to realise happiness through them...

As Venerable Ajahn Jayasaro said: it's like a man who eat chilli papers hoping that there is one that will be sweet...
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My input on this is the Buddha's Voice.
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Alino wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:06 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:06 pm No.

Or if there is, I haven't encountered it. And if there were, someone would have sold it to Jeff Bezos or somesuch, and he would have destroyed it.
Good evening Sam Vara 🙏😊

Its interesting how these questions point out to the unsatisfactory nature of senses, to the truth that there is no possibility to be satisfied by the sense stimulation, and there is no possibility to realise happiness through them...

As Venerable Ajahn Jayasaro said: it's like a man who eat chilli papers hoping that there is one that will be sweet...
I think that's absolutely right. I think the only permanent happiness is found through giving up craving for them. :anjali: :heart:
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Alino wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:59 pm Dear friends,

Investigating senses the questions arose :

Is there any form that once have been seen can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant forms?

Is there any sound that once have been heard can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant sounds?

...odour, taste, touch, thought...?

What are yours reflections and observations ?
Yes. The pleasant form, sound, odour, taste, touch, thought that has been fully understood as impermanent, miserable and not self fulfills all future needs in pleasant form, sound, odour, taste, touch, thought.
Exhaling अ and inhaling धीः amounts to བྷྲཱུཾ་བི་ཤྭ་བི་ཤུད་དྷེ
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Neurotransmitters always get depleted and have to be replenished. There is no such thing as an endless supply of dopamine or oxytocin. That is the biological law. So no such thing as endless pleasure. All you have are waves that come and go.

Try going from a bright room to a dark one and vice versa. Is the light or darkness permanent?
So why should pleasurable sensations be any different? Addiction occurs when you need to keep increasing the stimulation just
to maintain the pleasure.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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pegembara wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:39 am Neurotransmitters always get depleted and have to be replenished. There is no such thing as an endless supply of dopamine or oxytocin. That is the biological law. So no such thing as endless pleasure. All you have are waves that come and go.

Try going from a bright room to a dark one and vice versa. Is the light or darkness permanent?
So why should pleasurable sensations be any different? Addiction occurs when you need to keep increasing the stimulation just
to maintain the pleasure.
Thanks, pegembara, that makes a lot of sense. :anjali:

Do you have any understanding of why addiction takes place in some and not others, in terms of the neurotransmitters?
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Alino wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:59 pm Dear friends,

Investigating senses the questions arose :

Is there any form that once have been seen can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant forms?

Is there any sound that once have been heard can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant sounds?

...odour, taste, touch, thought...?

What are yours reflections and observations ?
Boredom would be my guess as to where the solution might be. As for sound, is there a more boring sound than the sound of silence?
Touch, odor, taste, and thought are always boring after the initial touch by one of these. The only thing left is boredom.
If you didn't care
What happened to me
And I didn't care for you

We would zig-zag our way
Through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain

Wondering which of the
Buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing
- Roger Waters
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If you're looking for fulfillment and your purpose in life to be completed, with you entirely satiated in every possible way, look no further than Nibbana and Buddhahood. You won't have to search for stimulation or pleasure seeking any more after that. :anjali:
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Sam Vara wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:13 am
pegembara wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:39 am Neurotransmitters always get depleted and have to be replenished. There is no such thing as an endless supply of dopamine or oxytocin. That is the biological law. So no such thing as endless pleasure. All you have are waves that come and go.

Try going from a bright room to a dark one and vice versa. Is the light or darkness permanent?
So why should pleasurable sensations be any different? Addiction occurs when you need to keep increasing the stimulation just
to maintain the pleasure.
Thanks, pegembara, that makes a lot of sense. :anjali:

Do you have any understanding of why addiction takes place in some and not others, in terms of the neurotransmitters?
For addictive chemicals like Oxycontin, the problem is you need to keep taking them just to remain normal. That is when you have become chemically dependent on them. Hard drugs like heroin or ICE works like this. Stopping them suddenly can cause a withdrawal reaction that may be life-threatening.

So it isn't just a matter of will power that can stop the addiction.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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pegembara wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:11 am
For addictive chemicals like Oxycontin, the problem is you need to keep taking them just to remain normal. That is when you have become chemically dependent on them. Hard drugs like heroin or ICE works like this. Stopping them suddenly can cause a withdrawal reaction that may be life-threatening.

So it isn't just a matter of will power that can stop the addiction.
Thanks! :anjali:
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Alino wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:59 pm Dear friends,

Investigating senses the questions arose :

Is there any form that once have been seen can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant forms?

Is there any sound that once have been heard can fully and permanently fulfill all future needs in pleasant sounds?

...odour, taste, touch, thought...?

What are yours reflections and observations ?
Buddha said that all the feelings have three characteristics of pleasant, unpleasant, and neutral.
However, they all are impermanent.
Nibbana is the only permanent state.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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