Did Buddha talk about the pleasure of sex?

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perkele wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:37 am
Mahabrahma wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:05 am Celibacy isn't ideal, but it is the neccesity when you're saving the world for eons of kalpas.
What are you talking about, confused Brahma?
Who is saving the world for "eons of eons"? And how, by what means, to what end?
Buddhas and Bodhisattvas have been saving the world to bring us to this point, for there to be eventual full peace and prosperity in all Species of life. :buddha1:

Respect the work of the Buddha, because ultimately he did it all for a reason, not just to propound some kind of philosophy or to save a certain part of the world from mental suffering. We are meant to Leave this world in Mahaparinirvana, all of us, and the time is near. All of the Buddhas of the past and those to come will help us do that, and we will give them the highest respect. I know that you are already doing that, and that your wisdom is boundless, and I am certain you are a perfect Buddhist.

Celibacy is important for many when, sadly, their mind isn't trained to handle the intensity of sex, so they are to abandon that fetter and make immense Spiritual progress. Another reason is that when working to save one's disciples a Guru has to be an example and stay celibate. There are many who say the first step in Spiritual life is to give up sex life. But that doesn't mean that it will be like this forever, and those World-Honored-Ones who propound the Buddhist Teachings throughout the Universe will not stay celibate forever, there is no reason for them to go about that type of withdrawal for Eternity. And I am bold enough to say that even Guatama Buddha will return to his wife when He can, and you will never, ever convince me otherwise because I know their Love. That is all I have to say. Honorable Respects. :anjali:
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Mahabrahma wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:00 am
Buddhas and Bodhisattvas have been saving the world to bring us to this point, for there to be eventual full peace and prosperity in all Species of life. :buddha1:
And then the Lion will lay with the Lamb, right? :?
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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Maybe if more people here on this forum were getting sex there would be less fighting.
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Ceisiwr wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:04 am
Mahabrahma wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:00 am
Buddhas and Bodhisattvas have been saving the world to bring us to this point, for there to be eventual full peace and prosperity in all Species of life. :buddha1:
And then the Lion will lay with the Lamb, right? :?
You betcha my dear friend, and all thanks to your kindness and Love you have helped bring upon this world as a Wonderful Buddhist. :heart:
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Your talents are impressive, Mahabrahma. I'd say you are good with sarcasm but you don't make it that simple. You can really twist those verbal knives.
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Mahabrahma wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:08 am
Ceisiwr wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:04 am
Mahabrahma wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:00 am
Buddhas and Bodhisattvas have been saving the world to bring us to this point, for there to be eventual full peace and prosperity in all Species of life. :buddha1:
And then the Lion will lay with the Lamb, right? :?
You betcha my dear friend, and all thanks to your kindness and Love you have helped bring upon this world as a Wonderful Buddhist. :heart:
Poor Lambs.
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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Inedible wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:11 am Your talents are impressive, Mahabrahma. I'd say you are good with sarcasm but you don't make it that simple. You can really twist those verbal knives.
I want you to be the happiest person in all of existence, and just know you and all of us will be among those that are. You are an expert Buddhist so don't you worry about this temporary manifestation. You're here in Buddhist strength, a strength you've had all your beginngless Life. :candle: :buddha2:
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Ceisiwr wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:13 am
Mahabrahma wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:08 am
Ceisiwr wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:04 am

And then the Lion will lay with the Lamb, right? :?
You betcha my dear friend, and all thanks to your kindness and Love you have helped bring upon this world as a Wonderful Buddhist. :heart:
Poor Lambs.
Buddhist Monks aren't allowed to touch money.
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SarathW wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:22 am I am talking about lay people.
Viska was a Sotapanna and she had about ten children.
Parabhava Sutta and Sigalovada Sutta explains what harm sense pleasures can do to a lay person and how and why to avoid it. Lord budda understood the that lay people are controlled by their sensual pleasures and the difficulty to get over.
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“Tell the danger, dear sir,
for one given over
to sexual intercourse.
Having heard your teaching,
we'll train in seclusion."

The Buddha:
"In one given over
to sexual intercourse,
the teaching's confused
and he practices wrongly:
this is ignoble
in him.
Whoever once went alone,
but then resorts
to sexual intercourse
— like a carriage out of control —
is called vile in the world,
a person run-of-the-mill.
His earlier honor & dignity:
lost.
Seeing this,
he should train himself
to abandon sexual intercourse.

Overcome by resolves,
he broods
like a miserable wretch.
Hearing the scorn of others,
he's chagrined.
He makes weapons,
attacked by the words of others.
This, for him, is a great entanglement.
He
sinks
into lies.

They thought him wise
when he committed himself
to the life alone,
but now that he's given
to sexual intercourse
they declare him a fool.

Seeing these drawbacks, the sage
here — before & after —
stays firm in the life alone;
doesn't resort to sexual intercourse;
would train himself
in seclusion —
this, for the noble ones, is
supreme.
He wouldn't, because of that,
think himself
better than others:
He's on the verge
of Unbinding.

People enmeshed
in sensual pleasures,
envy him: free,
a sage
leading his life
unconcerned for sensual pleasures
— one who's crossed over the flood."


Sn 4.7
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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Whether walking, standing,
sitting, or lying down,
it flexes & stretches:
this is the body's movement.
Joined together with tendons & bones,
plastered over with muscle & skin,
hidden by complexion,
the body isn't seen
for what it is:
filled with intestines, filled with stomach,
with the lump of the liver,
bladder, lungs, heart,
kidneys, spleen,
mucus, sweat, saliva, fat,
blood, synovial fluid, bile, & oil.
On top of that,
in nine streams,
filth is always flowing from it:
from the eyes : eye secretions,
from the ears : ear secretions,
from the nose : mucus,
from the mouth : now vomit,
now phlegm,
now bile.
from the body : beads of sweat.
And on top of that,
its hollow head is filled with brains.

The fool, beset by ignorance,
thinks it beautiful.
But when it lies dead,
swollen, livid,
cast away in a charnel ground,
even relatives don't care for it.
Dogs feed on it,
jackals, wolves, & worms.
Crows & vultures feed on it,
along with any other animals there.

Having heard the Awakened One's words,
the discerning monk
comprehends, for he sees it
for what it is:
"As this is, so is that.
As that, so this."
Within & without,
he should let desire for the body
fade away.
With desire & passion faded away,
the discerning monk arrives here:
at the deathless,
the calm,
the undying state
of Unbinding.

This two-footed, filthy, evil-smelling,
filled-with-various-carcasses,
oozing-out-here-&-there body:
Whoever would think,
on the basis of a body like this,
to exalt himself or disparage another:

What is that
if not blindness?
Vijaya Sutta

Why get involved with such a thing? 🤢
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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