What is formations? (A streamenterer dont crave for formations)?

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user99 wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:55 am???????
The potters wheel in the bhavacakra if you practice like your head is on fire then you can at least help fire some bowls.

Stream entry is what some call sudden enlightenment... the first taste. If one were wise they would call that right then and there what is truly evil... but they don't.

A gave all my possessions up three of four times after "stream entry" but no matter what happens it heaps and heaps, so I gave up and watch it accumulate like snow on an old man's monkey head while he still chases railroad tracks out of some old ladies panties thinking a wife and not a cow is in there... now kids you must keep sila even for those that don't actually have any sila. *sighs* and bows backwards to a twin foo.
Hate shuns others while greed attracts others. ~Shantideva
The kilesa Jealousy builds a bridge between hate and greed.
An Anagamin is not a moon to stand on... as how can such a being point to anything other than what it thinks it already is? All an anagamin can do is point to wisdom of where such a being has been, not to where Anagamin goes and when realizing this? An Arhat is born never to be "born again".
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Vism wrote:131. Now, it was said above, “Whatever has the
characteristic of forming should be understood, all
taken together, as the formations aggregate” (§81).
And here too, what is said to have the characteristic of
forming is that which has the characteristic of
agglomerating.[57] What is that? It is formations
themselves, according as it is said, “They form the
formed, bhikkhus, that is why they are called
formations” (S III 87).
132. They have the characteristic of forming. Their
function is to accumulate. They are manifested as
intervening.[58] Their proximate cause is the
remaining three [immaterial] aggregates. So according
to characteristic, etc., they are singlefold. And
according to kind they are threefold, namely, (I)
profitable, (II) unprofitable, and (III) indeterminate. As
regards these, when associated with profitable
consciousness they are profitable, when associated
with unprofitable consciousness they are unprofitable,
when associated with indeterminate consciousness
they are indeterminate.
57.“’The characteristic of agglomerating’ means the
characteristic of adding together (sampiṇḍana);
then they are said to have the function of
accumulating, for the dhammas in the formations
aggregate are so described because volition is
their basis” (Vism-mhṭ 484).
Exhaling अ and inhaling धीः amounts to བྷྲཱུཾ་བི་ཤྭ་བི་ཤུད་དྷེ It's definitely not science but science may provide guidelines nevertheless.
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"They former the formed" who are they? What do they form?
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Sankhara is a polysemantic word. In the explanation of paticcasamuppada, it means the intentional actions of body, speech and mind, leading to the formation of vinnana and nama-rupa in future birth (therefore they are referred to as formative). Sankharakkhandha is a collection of numerous mental constructs (life experience) that generates intentions for action of the body of speech and mind. The word sankhara in the maxims: sabbe sankhara anicca and sabbe sankhara dukkha means conditioned phenomena. I think that when you speak of sotapanna you mean the latter meaning. Sotapanna comprehends the characteristics of conditioned phenomena, becomes discouraged in them and turns the mind to the unconditioned (nibbana).
All that is subject to arising is subject to termination, all formations are non-permanent. And that which is impermanent is suffering. Regarding what is impermanent and prone to suffering, one cannot say: "This is mine, I am this, this is my self".
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Antaradhana wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:44 am Sankhara is a polysemantic word. In the explanation of paticcasamuppada, it means the intentional actions of body, speech and mind, leading to the formation of vinnana and nama-rupa in future birth (therefore they are referred to as formative). Sankharakkhandha is a collection of numerous mental constructs (life experience) that generates intentions for action of the body of speech and mind. The word sankhara in the maxims: sabbe sankhara anicca and sabbe sankhara dukkha means conditioned phenomena. I think that when you speak of sotapanna you mean the latter meaning. Sotapanna comprehends the characteristics of conditioned phenomena, becomes discouraged in them and turns the mind to the unconditioned (nibbana).
what is unconditioned? non cognition of formations?
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
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confusedlayman wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:02 am
Antaradhana wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:44 am Sankhara is a polysemantic word. In the explanation of paticcasamuppada, it means the intentional actions of body, speech and mind, leading to the formation of vinnana and nama-rupa in future birth (therefore they are referred to as formative). Sankharakkhandha is a collection of numerous mental constructs (life experience) that generates intentions for action of the body of speech and mind. The word sankhara in the maxims: sabbe sankhara anicca and sabbe sankhara dukkha means conditioned phenomena. I think that when you speak of sotapanna you mean the latter meaning. Sotapanna comprehends the characteristics of conditioned phenomena, becomes discouraged in them and turns the mind to the unconditioned (nibbana).
what is unconditioned?
Termination of the chain of condition (paticcasamuppada).
non cognition of formations?
Full insight into the nature of formations and their termination.
All that is subject to arising is subject to termination, all formations are non-permanent. And that which is impermanent is suffering. Regarding what is impermanent and prone to suffering, one cannot say: "This is mine, I am this, this is my self".
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Termination of the chain of condition.
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Condition? Of what?
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user99 wrote: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:55 am???????
coming together is formations...

arising of world by apprehension and thoughts is formation..
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
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Okey
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