asahi wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:47 pm
All that has ceased does not necessarily had an arising in reality !
By definition if something is dead then at one point it was alive.
The 1st noble truth is not about after something has ceased to be something else begins but the experiences of sufferings that occurs if not mistaken .
The 1st Noble Truth relates to all dhammas that are dukkha because they arise and cease. The trigger for understanding that truth is always:
“yaṃ kiñci samudayadhammaṃ sabbaṃ taṃ nirodhadhamman”ti."
“Whatever is subject to origination is all subject to cessation.”
My reversal of origination and cessation was to bring out the tautological and so analytical (not synthetic) nature of the insight. Something that has ceased would have had an origination, something that has an origination is subject to cessation (through having a condition). The trigger can come about through examining paṭiccasamuppāda in reverse order:
“Then, bhikkhus, it occurred to me: ‘When what exists does aging-and-death come to be? By what is aging-and-death conditioned? ’ Then, bhikkhus, through careful attention, there took place in me a breakthrough by wisdom: ‘When there is birth, aging-and-death comes to be; aging-and-death has birth as its condition.’
“Then, bhikkhus, it occurred to me: ‘When what exists does birth come to be?… existence?… clinging?… craving?… feeling?… contact?… the six sense bases?… name-and-form? By what is name-and-form conditioned?’ Then, bhikkhus, through careful attention, there took place in me a breakthrough by wisdom: ‘When there is consciousness, name-and-form comes to be; name-and-form has consciousness as its condition.’
By understanding how each dhamma arises on a condition, one understands that each dhamma is subject to cessation. All that has an origination had a condition and so is subject to cessation, all that has ceased would have had an origination with a prior condition.
Nibbana seems to be a synthetic a priori since you assert nibbana is outside the experiencing aggregates itself .
By saying "there is nibbāna" I am making a synthetic a posteriori proposition. It could be the case that there is nibbāna, but it might turn out that there is no nibbāna. When I finally experience nibbāna it would no longer be a synthetic a posteriori proposition. It would be a simple a posteriori one, as I have directly experienced it. For example, I could say "In the next room there is a cat". This would be a synthetic a posteriori proposition. It is synthetic as there is nothing in "next room" that includes "cat". It is a posteriori as it relates to experience. If I then go into the next room and see a cat this is no longer a synthetic a posteriori proposition. It is a posteriori, as I directly see the cat.
And metaphysical investigation include existence, objects and their properties, space and time, cause and effect, and possibility . It examines the fundamental nature of reality, including the relationship between mind and matter .
I agree. The Buddha rejected all that as a "thicket of views".
The four noble truth is about cause and effect .
If by that you mean dependent origination and idappaccayatā, that is about
conditionality not
causality. Cause and effect, causality, is, as you rightly say, metaphysics as "every event has a cause" is a synthetic a priori statement. As I have been arguing, the Buddha rejected those. For example, to go back to my quote above:
“Then, bhikkhus, it occurred to me: ‘When what exists does aging-and-death come to be? By what is aging-and-death conditioned? ’ Then, bhikkhus, through careful attention, there took place in me a breakthrough by wisdom: ‘When there is birth, aging-and-death comes to be; aging-and-death has birth as its condition.’
“Then, bhikkhus, it occurred to me: ‘When what exists does birth come to be?… existence?… clinging?… craving?… feeling?… contact?… the six sense bases?… name-and-form? By what is name-and-form conditioned?’ Then, bhikkhus, through careful attention, there took place in me a breakthrough by wisdom: ‘When there is consciousness, name-and-form comes to be; name-and-form has consciousness as its condition.’
Birth is not the
cause of ageing and death. It is the
condition for it.