Ratnakar wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:38 pm
In mn37 buddha said with cessation of clinging/grasping monks enter nibbana
Yes. But MN 37 is about Nibbana via destruction of craving. Destruction of Craving is the name of the sutta MN 37.
Ratnakar wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:38 pmIn mn38 buddha said when feeling ceases craving ceases
No. In the middle, MN 38 says when feeling
with ignorance ceases; craving ceases. Thus, at the end, MN 38 says:
On seeing a form with the eye, he does not lust after it if it is pleasing; he does not dislike it if it is unpleasing. He abides with mindfulness of the body established, with an immeasurable mind, and he understands as it actually is the deliverance of mind and deliverance by wisdom wherein those evil unwholesome states cease without remainder. Having thus abandoned favouring and opposing, whatever feeling he feels, whether pleasant or painful or neither-painful-nor-pleasant, he does not delight in that feeling, welcome it, or remain holding to it. As he does not do so, delight in feelings ceases in him. With the cessation of his delight comes cessation of clinging; with the cessation of clinging, cessation of being; with the cessation of being, cessation of birth; with the cessation of birth, ageing and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair cease. Such is the cessation of this whole mass of suffering.
https://suttacentral.net/mn38/en/bodhi
Ratnakar wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:38 pmIn mn148 buddha said that cessation of craving is nibbana
Maybe, but MN 148 also refers to a Nibbana with feelings, as follows:
Bhikkhus, dependent on the eye and forms, eye-consciousness arises; the meeting of the three is contact; with contact as condition there arises a feeling felt as pleasant or painful or neither-painful-nor-pleasant. When one is touched by a pleasant feeling, if one does not delight in it, welcome it, and remain holding to it, then the underlying tendency to lust does not lie within one. When one is touched by a painful feeling, if one does not sorrow, grieve and lament, does not weep beating one’s breast and become distraught, then the underlying tendency to aversion does not lie within one. When one is touched by a neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling, if one understands as it actually is the origination, the disappearance, the gratification, the danger, and the escape in regard to that feeling, then the underlying tendency to ignorance does not lie within one. Bhikkhus, that one shall here and now make an end of suffering by abandoning the underlying tendency to lust for pleasant feeling, by abolishing the underlying tendency to aversion towards painful feeling, by extirpating the underlying tendency to ignorance in regard to neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling, by abandoning ignorance and arousing true knowledge—this is possible.
https://suttacentral.net/mn148/en/bodhi
Ratnakar wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:38 pmthere is no contradiction you can gain nibbana through cessation of craving through cessation of clinging/grasping or through cessation of feeling this is just dependent origination this is the 3 way to attain nibbana and from these 3 cessation of craving is the easiest to reach nibbana you know this
No. The suttas say consciousness, feeling & perception are conjoined. They appear to not say consciousness, feeling, perception & sankhara are conjoined (as Abhidhamma does).
Nibbana is a permanent state. Therefore, it appears Nibbana can never be defined as the cessation of feeling. This is impossible.
You are sounding like Bhikkhu Buddhadasa, who claimed Nibbana without residue means having no feelings.
Ratnakar wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:38 pmentering cessation of feeling and perception both feeling and perception ceases so in that 5 minutes craving also ceases which is a 5 minutes nibbana experiences after that 5 minutes or when one emerge from that state feeling arises so craving arises too
I read on another forum some Sri Lankans and Norwegians think sloth & torpor (sinking mind) is cessation of feeling and perception.