salayatananirodha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:16 am
Eko Care wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:22 am
- So obviously he inherited the anti-commentary views such as Nama excluding vinnana, Sambhavesi ..etc
retrofuturist wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:34 am
Greetings Eko Care,
Eko Care wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:22 am
So obviously he inherited the anti-commentary views such as Nama excluding vinnana
Oh.
Are you saying SN 12.2 is anti-commentary view?
SN 12.2 wrote:And what is name-&-form? Feeling, perception, intention, contact, & attention: This is called name.
Is SN 12.67 anti-commentary view for regarding nama-rupa and vinnana as akin to two different sheaves of reeds rather than just one?
SN 12.67 wrote:It is as if two sheaves of reeds were to stand leaning against one another. In the same way, from name-&-form as a requisite condition comes consciousness, from consciousness as a requisite condition comes name-&-form.
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actually, eko care will you please answer this?
I don't know what Nanananda thought but the Commentaries explain that in the context of Paticcasamupada only three of the non-material aggregates are meant: XVII
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87. 1. By analysis of mind and matter: here “mind” (náma—mentality) is the
three aggregates, that is, feeling, perception, and formations, because of their
bending (namana) on to the object. “Matter” (rúpa—materiality) is the four great
primary elements and the materiality derived [by clinging] from the four great
primaries. Their analysis is given in the Description of the Aggregates (XIV.34f.,
In other contexts nama usually refers to the 4 immaterial aggregates (includes vinnana).
Example: XVIII 24
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NO BEING APART FROM MENTALITY-MATERIALITY]
24. He defines the four immaterial aggregates that have thus become evident
through contact, etc., as “mentality.” And he defines their objects, namely, the
four primaries and the materiality derived from the four primaries, as
“materiality.” So, as one who opens a box with a knife, as one who splits a twin
palmyra bulb in two, he defines all states of the three planes,9 the eighteen
elements, twelve bases, five aggregates, in the double way as “mentalitymateriality,”
and he concludes that over and above mere mentality-materiality
there is nothing else that is a being or a person or a deity or a Brahmá.