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@doodoot makes an important point and if you explore SN 35 there’s about 250 suttas about the six sense base that talk about the impermanence, the escape, and how it is not mine. Nothing about it disappearing altogether. Cessation is a tricky term because it seems to be more about the cessation of what was supported by avijja and conceived as permanent, gratifying and Self.
“Life is swept along, short is the life span; no shelters exist for one who has reached old age. Seeing clearly this danger in death, a seeker of peace should drop the world’s bait.” SN 1.3
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SDC wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:19 pm @doodoot makes an important point and if you explore SN 35 there’s about 250 suttas about the six sense base that talk about the impermanence, the escape, and how it is not mine. Nothing about it disappearing altogether. Cessation is a tricky term because it seems to be more about the cessation of what was supported by avijja and conceived as permanent, gratifying and Self.
Yes it seems the problems came from translations and interpretations . Thanks .
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Apologise for offtopic but I saw here someone quoting this sutta. I suppose it is AN book of tenth, but which sutta exactly?

Thank you à lot 🙏🙏🙏😑
(1) In what are all things rooted? kiṁ mūlakā, āvuso, sabbe dhammā,
(2) In what are all things born? kiṁ sambhavā sabbe dhammā,
(3) In what do all things arise? kiṁ samudayā sabbe dhammā,
(4) In what do all things converge? kiṁ samosaraṇā sabbe dhammā,
(5) What is the leader of all things? kiṁ pamukhā sabbe dhammā,
(6) What is the supreme lord of all things? kiṁ adhipateyyā sabbe dhammā,
(7) What is the highest of all things? kiṁ uttarā sabbe dhammā,
(8) What is the essence of all things? kiṁ sārā sabbe dhammā,
(9) What is the firm footing for all things? kiṁ ogadhā sabbe dhammā,
(10) What is the complete ending for all things? kiṁ pariyosānā sabbe dhammâ ti,

(1) Rooted in desire are all things, chanda,mūlakā, āvuso, sabbe dhammā,
(2) Born in attention are all things, manasikāra,sambhavā sabbe dhammā,
(3) Arisen through contact are all things, phassa,samudayā sabbe dhammā,
(4) Converging in feeling are all things, vedanā,samosaraṇā sabbe dhammā,
(5) Concentration is the leader of all things, samādhi-p,pamukhā sabbe dhammā,
(6) Mindfulness is the lord of all things, sat’ādhipateyyā sabbe dhammā,
(7) Wisdom is the highest of all things, paññ’uttarā sabbe dhammā,
(8) Liberation is its essence of all things, vimutti,sārā sabbe dhammā.
(9) All things find a firm footing in the death-free, amat’ogadhā sabbe dhammā,
(10) All things have nirvana as their complete ending. nibbāna,pariyosānā sabbe dhammâ ti.
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Alino wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:21 am Apologise for offtopic but I saw here someone quoting this sutta. I suppose it is AN book of tenth, but which sutta exactly?

Thank you à lot 🙏🙏🙏😑
(1) In what are all things rooted? kiṁ mūlakā, āvuso, sabbe dhammā,
(2) In what are all things born? kiṁ sambhavā sabbe dhammā,
(3) In what do all things arise? kiṁ samudayā sabbe dhammā,
(4) In what do all things converge? kiṁ samosaraṇā sabbe dhammā,
(5) What is the leader of all things? kiṁ pamukhā sabbe dhammā,
(6) What is the supreme lord of all things? kiṁ adhipateyyā sabbe dhammā,
(7) What is the highest of all things? kiṁ uttarā sabbe dhammā,
(8) What is the essence of all things? kiṁ sārā sabbe dhammā,
(9) What is the firm footing for all things? kiṁ ogadhā sabbe dhammā,
(10) What is the complete ending for all things? kiṁ pariyosānā sabbe dhammâ ti,

(1) Rooted in desire are all things, chanda,mūlakā, āvuso, sabbe dhammā,
(2) Born in attention are all things, manasikāra,sambhavā sabbe dhammā,
(3) Arisen through contact are all things, phassa,samudayā sabbe dhammā,
(4) Converging in feeling are all things, vedanā,samosaraṇā sabbe dhammā,
(5) Concentration is the leader of all things, samādhi-p,pamukhā sabbe dhammā,
(6) Mindfulness is the lord of all things, sat’ādhipateyyā sabbe dhammā,
(7) Wisdom is the highest of all things, paññ’uttarā sabbe dhammā,
(8) Liberation is its essence of all things, vimutti,sārā sabbe dhammā.
(9) All things find a firm footing in the death-free, amat’ogadhā sabbe dhammā,
(10) All things have nirvana as their complete ending. nibbāna,pariyosānā sabbe dhammâ ti.
AN 10.58

An interesting sutta indeed.
“Life is swept along, short is the life span; no shelters exist for one who has reached old age. Seeing clearly this danger in death, a seeker of peace should drop the world’s bait.” SN 1.3
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SDC wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:37 am

AN 10.58

An interesting sutta indeed.
Thank you a lot SDC😊🙏
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asahi wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:45 am
SDC wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:19 pm @doodoot makes an important point and if you explore SN 35 there’s about 250 suttas about the six sense base that talk about the impermanence, the escape, and how it is not mine. Nothing about it disappearing altogether. Cessation is a tricky term because it seems to be more about the cessation of what was supported by avijja and conceived as permanent, gratifying and Self.
Yes it seems the problems came from translations and interpretations . Thanks .
asahi, what about this? Came across it today.
AN 10.29 wrote: Bhikkhus, there are some ascetics and brahmins who proclaim supreme nibbāna in this very life. Of those who proclaim supreme nibbāna in this very life, this is the foremost, namely, emancipation through non-clinging after one has seen as they really are the origin and passing away, the gratification, danger, and escape in regard to the six bases for contact.
“Life is swept along, short is the life span; no shelters exist for one who has reached old age. Seeing clearly this danger in death, a seeker of peace should drop the world’s bait.” SN 1.3
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SDC wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:05 pm
AN 10.29 wrote: Bhikkhus, there are some ascetics and brahmins who proclaim supreme nibbāna in this very life. Of those who proclaim supreme nibbāna in this very life, this is the foremost, namely, emancipation through non-clinging after one has seen as they really are the origin and passing away, the gratification, danger, and escape in regard to the six bases for contact.
Hi sdc , thanks . It seems this sutta talk of cessation of contact via six sense base not about cessation of six sense fields .
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asahi wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:37 am
SDC wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:05 pm
AN 10.29 wrote: Bhikkhus, there are some ascetics and brahmins who proclaim supreme nibbāna in this very life. Of those who proclaim supreme nibbāna in this very life, this is the foremost, namely, emancipation through non-clinging after one has seen as they really are the origin and passing away, the gratification, danger, and escape in regard to the six bases for contact.
Hi sdc , thanks . It seems this sutta talk of cessation of contact via six sense base not about cessation of six sense fields .
I think you are not understanding the sutta correctly....."emancipation through non-clinging after one has seen as they really are the origin and passing away, the gratification, danger, and escape in regard to the six bases" is talking about the six bases.....when it says "six bases for contact" it is just providing context by telling which six sense bases it is talking about etc......in short, the excerpt does talk about the escape in regard to the six bases (which means the six sense bases)....
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