What type of Jhana meditation Buddha practiced?

[SarathW]

What type of Jhana meditation Buddha practiced?
It appears Buddha also practice concentration after he became Buddha.
What he practiced and why he wanted to do it again?

[DooDoot]

Jhana is the complete calming of thought & breathing.

If a Buddha walks or talks, the mind must emerge from jhana because, to walk or talk, the thoughts & breathing must be active & strong.

When a Buddha stops walking & stops talking, his mind naturally goes into jhana.

A Buddha does not "want" to enter jhana. Instead, a Buddha "wants" to help others, therefore he emerges from jhana to walk & talk.

It appears the OP question is mixed up & befuddled, similar to Vacchagotta.

[confusedlayman]

Jhana is the complete calming of thought & breathing.

If a Buddha walks or talks, the mind must emerge from jhana because, to walk or talk, the thoughts & breathing must be active & strong.

When a Buddha stops walking & stops talking, his mind naturally goes into jhana.

A Buddha does not "want" to enter jhana. Instead, a Buddha "wants" to help others, therefore he emerges from jhana to walk & talk.

It appears the OP question is mixed up & befuddled, similar to Vacchagotta.

I think u are saying in speculation because the above that buddha is always in jhana except talking is not supported by sutta...

it is clearly given that buddha has to enter jhana in order to be jhana and not otherwise. the difference between him and puthujhana is buddha can enter easily because he is arhant while other astics like non buddhist will have to wait 12 Years to enter

[DooDoot]

I think u are saying in speculation ...

No. What is true speculation is your ideas about what jhana is.

[BrokenBones]

We could give ear to what the Buddha said...

“Here, brahmin, when I am dwelling in dependence on a village or town, in the morning I dress, take my bowl and robe, and enter that village or town for alms. After the meal, when I have returned from the alms round, I enter a grove. I collect some grass or leaves that I find there into a pile and then sit down. Having folded my legs crosswise and straightened my body, I establish mindfulness in front of me. Then, secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unwholesome states, I enter and dwell in the first jhāna, which consists of rapture and pleasure born of seclusion, accompanied by thought and examination. With the subsiding of thought and examination, I enter and dwell in the second jhāna, which has internal placidity and unification of mind and consists of rapture and pleasure born of concentration, without thought and examination. With the fading away as well of rapture, I dwell equanimous and, mindful and clearly comprehending, I experience pleasure with the body; I enter and dwell in the third jhāna of which the noble ones declare: ‘He is equanimous, mindful, one who dwells happily.’ With the abandoning of pleasure and pain, and with the previous passing away of joy and dejection, I enter and dwell in the fourth jhāna, neither painful nor pleasant, which has purification of mindfulness by equanimity.

“Then, brahmin, when I am in such a state, if I walk back and forth, on that occasion my walking back and forth is celestial. If I am standing, on that occasion my standing is celestial. If I am sitting, on that occasion my sitting is celestial. If I lie down, on that occasion this is my celestial high and luxurious bed. This is that celestial high and luxurious bed that at present I can gain at will, without trouble or difficulty.”

https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/an3.63

[DooDoot]

We could give ear to what the Buddha said...

“Here, brahmin, when I am dwelling in dependence on a village or town, in the morning I dress, take my bowl and robe, and enter that village or town for alms. After the meal, when I have returned from the alms round, I enter a grove. I collect some grass or leaves that I find there into a pile and then sit down. Having folded my legs crosswise and straightened my body, I establish mindfulness in front of me. Then, secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unwholesome states, I enter and dwell in the first jhāna, which consists of rapture and pleasure born of seclusion, accompanied by thought and examination. With the subsiding of thought and examination, I enter and dwell in the second jhāna, which has internal placidity and unification of mind and consists of rapture and pleasure born of concentration, without thought and examination. With the fading away as well of rapture, I dwell equanimous and, mindful and clearly comprehending, I experience pleasure with the body; I enter and dwell in the third jhāna of which the noble ones declare: ‘He is equanimous, mindful, one who dwells happily.’ With the abandoning of pleasure and pain, and with the previous passing away of joy and dejection, I enter and dwell in the fourth jhāna, neither painful nor pleasant, which has purification of mindfulness by equanimity.

“Then, brahmin, when I am in such a state, if I walk back and forth, on that occasion my walking back and forth is celestial. If I am standing, on that occasion my standing is celestial. If I am sitting, on that occasion my sitting is celestial. If I lie down, on that occasion this is my celestial high and luxurious bed. This is that celestial high and luxurious bed that at present I can gain at will, without trouble or difficulty.”

https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/an3.63

The translation above appears questionable. The above does not appear to explicitly say the Buddha walks back & forth with jhana. If the Buddha could walk in jhana, why would he bother sitting down? The Buddha taught to use wise reflection when hearing the teachings.

When I’m practicing like this, if I walk, at that time I walk like the gods.

So ce ahaṁ, brāhmaṇa, evaṁbhūto caṅkamāmi, dibbo me eso tasmiṁ samaye caṅkamo hoti.

https://suttacentral.net/an3.63/en/sujato

ce
indeclinable
if (usually with present indicative or opt., so even for conditions in the past); ~ no ce, if not; ~ yam ce, (after comparative) than; than that

https://suttacentral.net/define/ce

bhūta
past participle
become; existed

https://suttacentral.net/define/bh%C5%ABta

[BrokenBones]

ce

https://suttacentral.net/define/ce

? You're the one who brought up the Buddha not being able to walk and be in Jhana and now there is a Sutta saying otherwise it's the Sutta that's wrong and not you. The Buddha's ability to do this fits perfectly with the body(physical) Jhana's he taught.

BTW the Buddha sits down because he had a body... why would you expect him to remain in one posture?

[DooDoot]

You're the one who brought up the Buddha not being able to walk and be in Jhana and now there is a Sutta saying otherwise it's the Sutta that's wrong and not you. The Buddha's ability to do this fits perfectly with the body(physical) Jhana's he taught. BTW the Buddha sits down because he had a body... why would you expect him to remain in one posture?

I trust this has been discussed before. Hundreds of suttas say jhana is practised when sitting or, when the Buddha was passing away, lying down.

The sutta excerpt u quoted was answering the following question:

“But what, Master Gotama, is the high and luxurious bed of the gods?”

The Buddha answers:

When I’m practicing like this, if I lie down, at that time I lie down like the gods.

The sutta does not appear to explicitly say the Buddha walks back & forth with jhana.

[BrokenBones]

Obfuscation... the Sutta says exactly that...

“Then, brahmin, when I am in such a state, if I walk back and forth, on that occasion my walking back and forth is celestial."

https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/an3.63

If you read closely it says walking

[Ceisiwr]

This topic came up before, as do most

Hi,
jameswang wrote:
Looks Sylvester is not going to do it. Can anyone else translate?

Pitot:
The original text says:
So ce ahaṃ, brāhmaṇa, evaṃbhūto caṅkamāmi, dibbo me eso tasmiṃ samaye caṅkamo hoti
When I am in such a state, if I walk back and forth, on that occasion my walking back and forth is celestial.

And doesn't say:
So ce ahaṃ, brāhmaṇa, evaṃbhūtā caṅkamāmi, dibbo me eso tesu samayesu caṅkamo hoti
When I am in such states, if I walk back and forth, on these occasions my walking back and forth is celestial.

Sylvester's argument is that based on the grammar one can inferre that the "walking passage" refers to the establishment of sati and not to the jhānas.

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=18276&hilit=Jhana+walking&start=15

Considering how Jhana is of 1 perception only, as attested to in the suttas (a point the Jhana-lite crowd always dodge) it seems clear to me that the walking is not being done whilst in Jhana which, as has already been said, is a state of mind that is completely tranquil and still.

[Pulsar]

Confusedlayman wrote

I think u are saying in speculation because the above that buddha is always in jhana except talking is not supported by sutta...
it is clearly given that buddha has to enter jhana in order to be jhana and not otherwise, the difference between him and puthujhana is buddha can enter easily because he is arhant

Bravo confused... I love you, the last sentence is not very clear, but I trust you are thinking right, we all make mistakes in grammar and spelling, not necessarily because we belong to a specific country.
now this

while other astics like non buddhist will have to wait 12 Years to enter

this I am not sure, non-buddhists cannot enter buddhist jhana, not even in a zillion years, this is my take, simply because even during their Samapattis, they are stuck on worldly consciousness.
Broken bones wrote

“Then, brahmin, when I am in such a state, if I walk back and forth, on that occasion my walking back and forth is celestial."
https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/an3.63
If you read closely it says walking

Even if you did not walk up close to the Buddha, you can still see him moving, as in walking.
If one truly understood jhana, they would know that Arahants have already left the sensory world. No discussion required except with absolute puthujjanas, who absolutely fail to see such sense...I hope joking is permitted, and there are no spelling nazis here.
My comment is addressed only to the two of you. I don't like to get rotten eggs thrown at me for the
silly things I write on DW, all in good fun.
With love

[BrokenBones]

Confusedlayman wrote

I think u are saying in speculation because the above that buddha is always in jhana except talking is not supported by sutta...
it is clearly given that buddha has to enter jhana in order to be jhana and not otherwise, the difference between him and puthujhana is buddha can enter easily because he is arhant

Bravo confused... I love you, the last sentence is not very clear, but I trust you are thinking right, we all make mistakes in grammar and spelling, not necessarily because we belong to a specific country.
now this

while other astics like non buddhist will have to wait 12 Years to enter

this I am not sure, non-buddhists cannot enter buddhist jhana, not even in a zillion years, this is my take, simply because even during their Samapattis, they are stuck on worldly consciousness.
Broken bones wrote

“Then, brahmin, when I am in such a state, if I walk back and forth, on that occasion my walking back and forth is celestial."
https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/an3.63
If you read closely it says walking

Even if you did not walk up close to the Buddha, you can still see him moving, as in walking.
If one truly understood jhana, they would know that Arahants have already left the sensory world. No discussion required except with absolute puthujjanas, who absolutely fail to see such sense...I hope joking is permitted, and there are no spelling nazis here.
My comment is addressed only to the two of you. I don't like to get rotten eggs thrown at me for the
silly things I write on DW, all in good fun.
With love

Hi Pulsar

I'm not exactly clear as to what you are saying.

Are you saying the sutta is wrong and the Buddha is not in a state of Jhana whilst walking or have I misunderstood you completely?

Could you make it a bit clearer please?

[Pulsar]

BrokenBones:

Hi Pulsar
I'm not exactly clear as to what you are saying.
Are you saying the sutta is wrong and the Buddha is not in a state of Jhana whilst walking or have I misunderstood you completely?
Could you make it a bit clearer please?

I must apologise, it was carelessly answered, kind of a run on sentence, joining two different thoughts.
Sutta is right. Buddha in the sutta is saying he is in a state of jhana, while walking. Some think of jhana as a state of immobility, due to the Upanishadic ideas of
meditation, that have crept into sutta pitaka.
Is my answer clearer now? pl ask again if it is still not clear. Love Pulsar.

Let me answer the OP too now that I am back here.
OP asked ..

What type of Jhana meditation Buddha practiced?

Buddha practiced the 4 buddhist jhanas, or meditation similar to Descent into the Void described in MN 121, but not Arupa samapatthis, which are of Upanisadic origin, even though some sutta compilers say so.
OP also asked

It appears Buddha also practice concentration after he became Buddha.
What he practiced and why he wanted to do it again?

Think of Buddha surrounded by many monks and laypeople. Can anyone handle being with nutty people
all the time? Did you not write elsewhere that the world is full of nutty people, and you have two suttas on that thread where Buddha says even some monks are ill behaved.
Is it not common sense to think that Buddha required some seclusion?
How can anyone handle constant interruption?
With love

[BrokenBones]

Thanks Pulsar

Much clearer and I agree with your thoughts as far as 'outside' influences creeping into the teachings.

[DooDoot]

Can anyone handle being with nutty people all the time? Did you not write elsewhere that the world is full of nutty people...

Oh dear. Two under-estimators of jhana & two over-estimators of personal experience.

Then the DooDoot addressed the forum,

“Do you see Pulsar pacing up and down with BrokenBones?”

“Yes, Doot.”

“All of them are over-estimators of personal experience & under-estimators of jhana.

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