Dependent Origination = 17 thought moments?

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Dependent Origination = 17 thought moments?

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Dependent Origination = 17 thought moments describe in Abhidhamma?

It appears to me that Dependent Origination describe in Sutta is the same as the 17 though moments explained in Abhidhamma.
What is your opinion?
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Re: Dependent Origination = 18 thought moments?

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Greetings Sarath,

I think you're going to need to explain this in a bit more detail...

:popcorn:

Metta,
Paul. :)
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Dependent Origination Vs eighteen thought moments
A complete thought process, occurring through the physical sense doors, is made up of seventeen thought moments (citta kha.na). These are:

A bhava"nga that flows by in a passive state when one of the five physical sense organs comes in contact with its object (atiita bhava"nga).
A bhava"nga that vibrates for one thought moment (bhava"nga calana).
A bhava"nga that cuts off the flow (bhava"nga upaccheda).
A citta that turns towards the object through the sense door that has been stimulated (pañcadvaara-vajjana).
The appropriate sense consciousness; in the case of the eye, for example, eye consciousness (cakkhu viññaa.na).
Next a thought moment — the sampa.ticchana citta — which has the function of receiving the object.
When the object has been received another thought moment, called the santiirana citta, arises, performing the function of investigating the object.
The act (kamma) itself, especially if it was a weighty one.
9 to 15.
The object having been determined, the most important stage from an ethical standpoint follows. This stage, called javana, consists of seven consecutive thought moments all having an identical nature. It is at this stage that good or evil is done, depending on whether the cittas have wholesome or unwholesome roots. Therefore, these javana thought moments have roots and also produce new kamma.
16 and 17.
Following the seventh javana the registering stage occurs, composed of two thought moments called tadaalambane. When the second registering citta has perished, the bhava"nga follows, flowing on until interrupted by another thought process.

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Paticca-samuppada-vibhanga Sutta: Analysis of Dependent Co-arising

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retrofuturist wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:14 am Greetings Sarath,

I think you're going to need to explain this in a bit more detail...

:popcorn:

Metta,
Paul. :)
Perhaps someone has to write a book but I will try.
:D
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