Do arhants thought generate painful feeling ?

[confusedlayman]

Arhants thoughts are not rooted in greed delusion or hate... so can we say its impossible for them to generate pain mental feeling or any pain feeling generated by their thoughts?

[Ceisiwr]

Arahants still experience contact at all 6 sense bases. Contact at the 6 sense bases means vedana at the 6 sense bases. Arahants can therefore still experience painful vedana when contacting a mental dhamma. What is different for them is that they do not sorrow, lament or grieve etc based on said painful mental contact. There is no underlying tendencies anymore behind the vedana of any type. The Arahant can only fully escape all vedana at the end of life.

[DooDoot]

Arhants thoughts are not rooted in greed delusion or hate... so can we say its impossible for them to generate pain mental feeling or any pain feeling generated by their thoughts?

u still posting SteRoism. thought is not the cause of feeling

Contact is the cause and condition for the manifestation of the feeling aggregate.

SN 22.82

[SarathW]

Arhants thoughts are not rooted in greed delusion or hate... so can we say its impossible for them to generate pain mental feeling or any pain feeling generated by their thoughts?

Perhaps I would say they don’t generate Kama Tanha,Bhava Tanha and Vibhava Tanha. How ever they still feel the painful feelings, pleasant feelings and neutral feelings.

[asahi]

If we can separate the physical body as sensation (painful , pleasure and neutral) and mentality as feeling (like or happiness , dislike or sadness and neutral) that would be for a better differentiation .

[confusedlayman]

Arahants still experience contact at all 6 sense bases. Contact at the 6 sense bases means vedana at the 6 sense bases. Arahants can therefore still experience painful vedana when contacting a mental dhamma. What is different for them is that they do not sorrow, lament or grieve etc based on said painful mental contact. There is no underlying tendencies anymore behind the vedana of any type. The Arahant can only fully escape all vedana at the end of life.

Im not satisfied with this explaination because arhant should be free from suffering even in this life...

[confusedlayman]

Arhants thoughts are not rooted in greed delusion or hate... so can we say its impossible for them to generate pain mental feeling or any pain feeling generated by their thoughts?

u still posting SteRoism. thought is not the cause of feeling

Contact is the cause and condition for the manifestation of the feeling aggregate.

SN 22.82

If u think cruel about someone u get painful feeling, if u think of someones good charecter u feel good so thoughts generate feeling... with loving thought u get love feeling deoendend of that thought

[confusedlayman]

If we can separate the physical body as sensation (painful , pleasure and neutral) and mentality as feeling (like or happiness , dislike or sadness and neutral) that would be for a better differentiation .

Mentality is what im talking

[DooDoot]

If u think cruel about someone u get painful feeling

cruel thought comes from painful feeling. the Dhamma is not the personal experience of puthujjana. the Dhamma says feeling is first born from contact

[confusedlayman]

If u think cruel about someone u get painful feeling

cruel thought comes from painful feeling. the Dhamma is not the personal experience of puthujjana. the Dhamma says feeling is first born from contact

Thought is mental contact

[Ceisiwr]

Arahants still experience contact at all 6 sense bases. Contact at the 6 sense bases means vedana at the 6 sense bases. Arahants can therefore still experience painful vedana when contacting a mental dhamma. What is different for them is that they do not sorrow, lament or grieve etc based on said painful mental contact. There is no underlying tendencies anymore behind the vedana of any type. The Arahant can only fully escape all vedana at the end of life.

Im not satisfied with this explaination because arhant should be free from suffering even in this life...

I’d be cautious of changing the Dhamma to suit your expectations. The Buddha never said the Arahant is free from all dukkha whilst alive.

[Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta]

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Arahants can therefore still experience painful vedana when contacting a mental dhamma.
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however, may not be handled very well by some Arahant-Idealists.

[Ceisiwr]

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Arahants can therefore still experience painful vedana when contacting a mental dhamma.
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Deep

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however, may not be handled very well by some Arahant-Idealists.

Indeed. Some people don’t like to hear that the Buddha would have experienced painful mental contacts, as well as visual and auditory ones, upon seeing and hearing that his son was dead. He wouldn’t have felt sorrow, lamentation, grief or despair but it would have been a painful experience.

[confusedlayman]

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Arahants can therefore still experience painful vedana when contacting a mental dhamma.
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Deep

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however, may not be handled very well by some Arahant-Idealists.

Indeed. Some people don’t like to hear that the Buddha would have experienced painful mental contacts, as well as visual and auditory ones, upon seeing and hearing that his son was dead. He wouldn’t have felt sorrow, lamentation, grief or despair but it would have been a painful experience.

I think its ypur version of arhant but real arhant i think will not have any mental trouble

[mjaviem]

... The Buddha never said the Arahant is free from all dukkha whilst alive.

What? Is this true? Living and breathing Arahants are not free from all dukkha?