Buddhist Marriages

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BrokenBones wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:07 am I don't think
:shock:
BrokenBones wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:07 amthere is such a thing as 'Buddhist' marriage... just cultural and legal niceties.
No. Buddhist marriage is clearly recognizing (vipassana) a suitable marriage partner. Refer to AN 4.55.
mabw wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 6:06 amIs anyone aware of the earliest Buddhist marriage recorded?
Refer to AN 4.55.
mabw wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 6:06 amThank you in advance.
You're welcome, in advance. Refer to this link: The Partner (A Good Spouse). :smile:
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DooDoot wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 5:06 am
BrokenBones wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:07 am I don't think
:shock:
BrokenBones wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:07 amthere is such a thing as 'Buddhist' marriage... just cultural and legal niceties.
No. Buddhist marriage is clearly recognizing (vipassana) a suitable marriage partner. Refer to AN 4.55.
mabw wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 6:06 amIs anyone aware of the earliest Buddhist marriage recorded?
Refer to AN 4.55.
mabw wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 6:06 amThank you in advance.
You're welcome, in advance. Refer to this link: The Partner (A Good Spouse). :smile:
😂

You obviously misunderstood the question... you need to think more rather than leaping to insult. I don't see a 'ceremony', 'ritual' or 'rites' in your links.
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BrokenBones wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:39 am I don't see
:roll:
BrokenBones wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:39 ama 'ceremony', 'ritual' or 'rites' in your links.
Its a wisdom or right view ceremony. :roll:
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DooDoot wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 1:10 am
BrokenBones wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:39 am I don't see
:roll:
BrokenBones wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:39 ama 'ceremony', 'ritual' or 'rites' in your links.
Its a wisdom or right view ceremony. :roll:
Gibberish...

Read the OP.

The Buddha had plenty of pieces of good advice for laypeople... married or otherwise... marriage ceremonies wasn't one of them.

Isn't a 'wisdom or right view ceremony' part of tantra?
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BrokenBones wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 1:29 am tantra
oh dear... :roll: the OP appears to be a student and what i posted for them is good info for their studies... :smile:
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DooDoot wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 5:06 am
BrokenBones wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:07 am I don't think
:shock:
BrokenBones wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:07 amthere is such a thing as 'Buddhist' marriage... just cultural and legal niceties.
No. Buddhist marriage is clearly recognizing (vipassana) a suitable marriage partner. Refer to AN 4.55.
mabw wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 6:06 amIs anyone aware of the earliest Buddhist marriage recorded?
Refer to AN 4.55.
mabw wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 6:06 amThank you in advance.
You're welcome, in advance. Refer to this link: The Partner (A Good Spouse). :smile:
Aren't we all students?

Glad to see that you are posting a sutta we are both in agreement with...

"And Nakula's mother said to the Blessed One: "Lord, ever since I as a young girl was brought to Nakula's father [to be his wife] when he was just a young boy, I am not conscious of being unfaithful to him even in mind, much less in body. We want to see one another not only in the present life but also in the life to come."

[The Blessed One said:] "If both husband & wife want to see one another not only in the present life but also in the life to come, they should be in tune [with each other] in conviction, in tune in virtue, in tune in generosity, and in tune in discernment. Then they will see one another not only in the present life but also in the life to come."


Husband & wife, both of them
having conviction,
being responsive,
being restrained,
living by the Dhamma,
addressing each other
with loving words:
they benefit in manifold ways.
To them comes bliss.
Their enemies are dejected
when both are in tune in virtue.
Having followed the Dhamma here in this world,
both in tune in precepts & practices,
they delight in the world of the devas,
enjoying the pleasures they desire."


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BrokenBones wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 4:03 am not only in the present life but also in the life to come."
Questionable translation. The relevant Pali "samparāyikā" appears to mean "in the future", such as in Iti 44 (which cannot mean "life to come").
These two Nibbāna-elements were made known
By the Seeing One, stable and unattached:
One is the element seen here and now
With residue, but with the cord of being destroyed;
The other, having no residue for the future (samparāyikā),
Is that wherein all modes of being utterly cease

https://suttacentral.net/iti44/en/ireland
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BrokenBones wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 4:03 am Having followed the Dhamma here in this world,
both in tune in precepts & practices,
they delight in the world of the devas,
enjoying the pleasures they desire.
"


https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
The "deva world" above appears to refer to a quality of experience in the here & now. For example, in MN 75, ordinary human sensual pleasures are distinguishes from deva sensual pleasures of the "rich, affluent and wealthy (aḍḍho mahaddhano mahābhogo)". The suttas say clearly a deva or human realm cannot be found from greed, hatred & delusion.
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DooDoot wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 4:00 am
BrokenBones wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 1:29 am tantra
oh dear... :roll: the OP appears to be a student and what i posted for them is good info for their studies... :smile:
Still holding on to self view? 😁

As for your obfuscation over 'future lives'... I wonder if you manage to keep a straight face when posting nonsense like that.

:focus:

There is no marriage 'ceremony' in the suttas or vinaya.
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BrokenBones wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 11:43 am Still holding on to self view? 😁
mere convention when conversing with puthjjana :mrgreen:
BrokenBones wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 11:43 amAs for your obfuscation over 'future lives'... I wonder if you manage to keep a straight face when posting nonsense like that.
sorry but the quote from Iti 44 was substantiated rather than obfuscation. since you were unable to reply with a Pali or sutta retort, you lost and were defeated by defilement.
These two Nibbāna-elements were made known
By the Seeing One, stable and unattached:
One is the element seen here and now
With residue, but with the cord of being destroyed;
The other, having no residue for the future (samparāyikā),
Is that wherein all modes of being utterly cease

https://suttacentral.net/iti44/en/ireland
The word translated as "future lives" in AN 4.55 is "samparāyikā". The onus is upon you to show it means "future lives". :reading:

It was shown by reference to Iti 44 that samparāyikā does not appear to or may not mean "future lives".

You are welcome to offer an alternate scholarly point of view but engaging in gutter slander is not an alternative view. :smile:
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