Desire and Karma. How do they belong to each other?

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Placebo123
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Desire and Karma. How do they belong to each other?

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Good day all,

I'm tyring to understand how Desire and Karma are interrelated to each other. On accesstoinsight.org in the section "What is Theravada Buddhism?" it is stated that
Craving propels this process [the wearisome cycle of samsara] onward,
and further it is stated that
from one moment to the next and over the course of countless lifetimes, in accordance with kamma (Skt. karma), the universal law of cause and effect.
Can one distinguish between craving (desire) and karma? Is craving (desire) more so of the content of what experience one wishes for in the future and karma (as fruits from past deeds) determines the quality of the experience?

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Your experience is dependent on contact.
You experience this as either pleasant, unpleasant, or neutral feeling.
Pleasant and unpleasant feelings lead to wanting or not wanting that feeling to continue.
This gives rise to intentions towards the experience.
Intention (cetana) I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of body, speech, & intellect.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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Craving left to run it's course conditions future craving.

Intentional action fueled by craving creates kamma.
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Placebo123 wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:28 am ...
Is craving (desire) more so of the content of what experience one wishes for in the future and karma (as fruits from past deeds) determines the quality of the experience?
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I like to think like this. There's no future only present kamma, there's no past only present ripening of kamma.
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Placebo123 wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:28 am Can one distinguish between craving (desire) and karma?
craving is an urge or energy. the Pali word is 'tanha', which means 'thirst'

'kamma' means action', i.e., action performed by body, speech or thought

for example, sexual thoughts are thought kamma. when sexual thoughts cause a urge or energy that runs thru the body causing sexual organs to change their form; that urge or energy is craving
Placebo123 wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:28 amIs craving (desire) more so of the content of what experience one wishes for in the future and karma (as fruits from past deeds) determines the quality of the experience?
kamma means action or deeds

kamma is not fruits from past deeds

fruits from past deeds are called 'vipaka'
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I think we can designate craving as the motor of a car which is related to the road by wheel's contact. And designate kamma as the inertia of that car. Greed hatred and delusion as fuel for the explosion inside the motor...

By putting the gearbox or transmission to neutral point we tend to stop creating new velocity...
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The blessed Buddha taught:
“Contact, mendicants, is one end. The origin of contact is the second end. The cessation of contact is the middle. And craving is the seamstress, for craving weaves one to being reborn in one state of existence or another. That’s how a mendicant directly knows what should be directly known and completely understands what should be completely understood. Knowing and understanding thus they make an end of suffering in this very life.”
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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Dr W Rahula wrote in his best selling buddhism book, thirst, volition, mental volition, and karma all denote the same thing, they denote desire, the will to be, to exist, to re exist, to become more and more, to grow more and more, to accumulate more and more.
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