Immediate change or gradual?

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Do people change gender from one life to another and/or change the realm they're taking rebirth into immediately or gradually? For example, a male who will take rebirth as a female will gradually lose his male quality both physically and mentally or immediately becomes female in next life? A human will gradually adopt animal behaviour, after death s/he takes rebirth in that realm or immediately take rebirth in that realm after death without gradually losing his or her human quality during their life?
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D1W1 wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:22 pm Do people change gender from one life to another and/or change the realm they're taking rebirth into immediately or gradually? For example, a male who will take rebirth as a female will gradually lose his male quality both physically and mentally or immediately becomes female in next life? A human will gradually adopt animal behaviour, after death s/he takes rebirth in that realm or immediately take rebirth in that realm after death without gradually losing his or her human quality during their life?
people who kill humans are animals in mind but human in body frame. they look like humans but bite or attack like animals. so tendency is animals. all animal tendency humans will flock together even in human realm but when body is lost they will get animal womb

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confusedlayman wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:36 pm
D1W1 wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:22 pm Do people change gender from one life to another and/or change the realm they're taking rebirth into immediately or gradually? For example, a male who will take rebirth as a female will gradually lose his male quality both physically and mentally or immediately becomes female in next life? A human will gradually adopt animal behaviour, after death s/he takes rebirth in that realm or immediately take rebirth in that realm after death without gradually losing his or her human quality during their life?
people who kill humans are animals in mind but human in body frame. they look like humans but bite or attack like animals. so tendency is animals. all animal tendency humans will flock together even in human realm but when body is lost they will get animal womb

I may be wrong
The law of attraction holds certain truth in this sense.
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Dhammavamsa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:19 pm The law of attraction holds certain truth in this sense.
How is the " law of attraction" related to Theravada Buddhism? Where is it written in the suttas? :thanks:
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D1W1 wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:22 pm Do people change gender from one life to another and/or change the realm they're taking rebirth into immediately or gradually? For example, a male who will take rebirth as a female will gradually lose his male quality both physically and mentally or immediately becomes female in next life? A human will gradually adopt animal behaviour, after death s/he takes rebirth in that realm or immediately take rebirth in that realm after death without gradually losing his or her human quality during their life?
There is one sutta in the Therigata that is a story about a woman who was reborn as a woman due to engaging is sexual misconduct in past lives. Based in this sutta, if, for example, men in this life delight in watching men performing sex upon women in pornography, it appears they will be reborn as women in future lives, due to lust & delight in women being sexed. Obviously men watching such pornography hold the view a woman is gaining happiness (rather than suffering) from being sexed. This view of happiness appears to be the cause for rebirth as a woman in future lives, to pursue such imagined "happiness".
confusedlayman wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:36 pm people who kill humans are animals in mind but human in body frame. they look like humans but bite or attack like animals. so tendency is animals. all animal tendency humans will flock together even in human realm but when body is lost they will get animal womb

I may be wrong
not wrong according to SN 56.47
SN 56.47 wrote:Sooner, I say, would that blind turtle, coming to the surface once every hundred years, insert its neck into that yoke with a single hole than the fool who has gone once to the nether world would regain the human state. For what reason? Because here, bhikkhus, there is no conduct guided by the Dhamma, no righteous conduct, no wholesome activity, no meritorious activity. Here there prevails mutual devouring, the devouring of the weak. For what reason? Because, bhikkhus, they have not seen the Four Noble Truths. What four? The noble truth of suffering … the noble truth of the way leading to the cessation of suffering.
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DooDoot wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:51 pm
D1W1 wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:22 pm Do people change gender from one life to another and/or change the realm they're taking rebirth into immediately or gradually? For example, a male who will take rebirth as a female will gradually lose his male quality both physically and mentally or immediately becomes female in next life? A human will gradually adopt animal behaviour, after death s/he takes rebirth in that realm or immediately take rebirth in that realm after death without gradually losing his or her human quality during their life?
There is one sutta in the Therigata that is a story about a woman who was reborn as a woman due to engaging is sexual misconduct in past lives. Based in this sutta, if, for example, men in this life delight in watching men performing sex upon women in pornography, it appears they will be reborn as women in future lives, due to lust & delight in women being sexed. Obviously men watching such pornography hold the view a woman is gaining happiness (rather than suffering) from being sexed. This view of happiness appears to be the cause for rebirth as a woman in future lives, to pursue such imagined "happiness".

But the opposite also true, men who love watching porn will be born as men because as men they know they're gaining happiness from such activity. I read somewhere men and women genitals have a lot of similarities. Penis is just a huge clitoris, maybe it's a result of evolution. There is a receptor called pacinian in female genital organ, man has the same receptor too. But if you keep stimulating that nerve, you will experience female orgasm, male experiences female orgasm. Is this an example you will gradually become a woman in the next life?
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D1W1 wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:20 am But the opposite also true, men who love watching porn will be born as men because...
My view of recent internet porn is similar to the view of some other commentators, namely, internet porn appears largely "phallic" thus "latently homosexual"; in addition with primary obsession with anal & oral sex rather than with vagina; which also fits well of Freudian concepts leading to oral & anal addiction. In other words, it appears men gain pleasure from watching the erection & ejaculation of the big penises of men. This is in contrast to when i was a teen and the only porn we looked at was ladies exposing their private parts in magazines. Looking at Playboy and Penthouse was looking at women. Looking at internet porn appears to be looking at men with big dicks. Anyway, that's how i view it. :roll:
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I think, with just the right amount of siddhi, determination, and or delusion, it could be changed within that very same life in which you want the change.
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