Sotapanna already eradicated self view , would a sense of " i am " capable to arise without the arising of self view in the first place ?
Identity/ self view and sense of i am
Identity/ self view and sense of i am
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Re: Identity/ self view and sense of i am
Yes... i am conceit wont be there only in arhantship
... since i am is there , there is endavour in lay life .. if i am is not there... body will die 7 days max as without i am how can someone created favrication to eat food and keep body going?
I am is like scent of flower still remaining till anagami stage... i beleive a sotapanna will acknoeldge everuthing changes in 5 aggregates but still can do business in laylife
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
Re: Identity/ self view and sense of i am
Are you saying Buddha still has sense of i am ? Because He and all arahants still wander around went begging for foods ?confusedlayman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:50 amYes... i am conceit wont be there only in arhantship
... since i am is there , there is endavour in lay life .. if i am is not there... body will die 7 days max as without i am how can someone created favrication to eat food and keep body going?
I am is like scent of flower still remaining till anagami stage... i beleive a sotapanna will acknoeldge everuthing changes in 5 aggregates but still can do business in laylife
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I beleive they took vow of helping others so for that reason they keep the body... if layman lose sence of i , he cant do any action other than sitting and die... buddha teaching is not out of ignoranceasahi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:35 amAre you saying Buddha still has sense of i am ? Because He and all arahants still wander around went begging for foods ?confusedlayman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:50 amYes... i am conceit wont be there only in arhantship
... since i am is there , there is endavour in lay life .. if i am is not there... body will die 7 days max as without i am how can someone created favrication to eat food and keep body going?
I am is like scent of flower still remaining till anagami stage... i beleive a sotapanna will acknoeldge everuthing changes in 5 aggregates but still can do business in laylife
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
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Re: Identity/ self view and sense of i am
I still practicing and certainly no Sotapanna yet, but I can say once I understand that the physical body is mere combination of different organs and systems; the mind is merely combination of consciousness and mental factors etc, so-called my properties, label, expression, action, feeling, sensation, thinking, idealogy, description, or status etc. are all in constant change and impermanent; and life is just combination and interaction between physical and mental components that depends on conditions for arising and ceasing...
There is nothing I can call "I" or "mine"...
There is nothing I can call "I" or "mine"...
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Now you should consider since body and mind is not you.. they come and go on their own cause and condition terms... so if you have thinking I am going to do this then its just a thinking.. that 4d expereince from thought.. so ignorance forms thoughts and moves body.. but when u see body and mind as automatic process then there should not be any thought of i am going to do this or not...Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:47 pm I still practicing and certainly no Sotapanna yet, but I can say once I understand that the physical body is mere combination of different organs and systems; the mind is merely combination of consciousness and mental factors etc, so-called my properties, label, expression, action, feeling, sensation, thinking, idealogy, description, or status etc. are all in constant change and impermanent; and life is just combination and interaction between physical and mental components that depends on conditions for arising and ceasing...
There is nothing I can call "I" or "mine"...
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
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Re: Identity/ self view and sense of i am
I need more meditation and reflection.confusedlayman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:51 pmNow you should consider since body and mind is not you.. they come and go on their own cause and condition terms... so if you have thinking I am going to do this then its just a thinking.. that 4d expereince from thought.. so ignorance forms thoughts and moves body.. but when u see body and mind as automatic process then there should not be any thought of i am going to do this or not...Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:47 pm I still practicing and certainly no Sotapanna yet, but I can say once I understand that the physical body is mere combination of different organs and systems; the mind is merely combination of consciousness and mental factors etc, so-called my properties, label, expression, action, feeling, sensation, thinking, idealogy, description, or status etc. are all in constant change and impermanent; and life is just combination and interaction between physical and mental components that depends on conditions for arising and ceasing...
There is nothing I can call "I" or "mine"...
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YesDhammavamsa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:54 pmI need more meditation and reflection.confusedlayman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:51 pmNow you should consider since body and mind is not you.. they come and go on their own cause and condition terms... so if you have thinking I am going to do this then its just a thinking.. that 4d expereince from thought.. so ignorance forms thoughts and moves body.. but when u see body and mind as automatic process then there should not be any thought of i am going to do this or not...Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:47 pm I still practicing and certainly no Sotapanna yet, but I can say once I understand that the physical body is mere combination of different organs and systems; the mind is merely combination of consciousness and mental factors etc, so-called my properties, label, expression, action, feeling, sensation, thinking, idealogy, description, or status etc. are all in constant change and impermanent; and life is just combination and interaction between physical and mental components that depends on conditions for arising and ceasing...
There is nothing I can call "I" or "mine"...
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...