commiting corrupt offence, from where rehabilitation is possible

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commiting corrupt offence, from where rehabilitation is possible

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https://suttacentral.net/sn20.10/en/sujato wrote:There he sees a female scantily clad, with revealing clothes.
So tattha passati mātugāmaṁ dunnivatthaṁ vā duppārutaṁ vā.
Lust infects his mind,
Tassa mātugāmaṁ disvā dunnivatthaṁ vā duppārutaṁ vā rāgo cittaṁ anuddhaṁseti.
resulting in death or deadly pain.
So rāgānuddhaṁsena cittena maraṇaṁ vā nigacchati maraṇamattaṁ vā dukkhaṁ.
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https://suttacentral.net/sn20.10/en/sujato wrote:For it is death in the training of the Noble One to resign the training and return to a lesser life.
Maraṇañhetaṁ, bhikkhave, ariyassa vinaye yo sikkhaṁ paccakkhāya hīnāyāvattati.
And it is deadly pain to commit one of the corrupt offenses
Maraṇamattañhetaṁ, bhikkhave, dukkhaṁ yadidaṁ aññataraṁ saṅkiliṭṭhaṁ āpattiṁ āpajjati.
for which rehabilitation is possible.
Yathārūpāya āpattiyā vuṭṭhānaṁ paññāyati.
mn36 example, deadly pain from where rehabilitation is possible is when the feeling is there but it doesn't occupy the mind.
https://suttacentral.net/mn36/en/sujato wrote:“Surely you must have had feelings so pleasant or so painful that they could occupy your mind?”
“Na hi nūna bhoto gotamassa uppajjati tathārūpā sukhā vedanā yathārūpā uppannā sukhā vedanā cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭheyya; na hi nūna bhoto gotamassa uppajjati tathārūpā dukkhā vedanā yathārūpā uppannā dukkhā vedanā cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭheyyā”ti. Variant: Na hi nūna → naha nūna (bj, sya-all, km, pts1ed)

“How could I not, Aggivessana?
“Kiñhi no siyā, aggivessana?
see, could occupy, but it didn't
https://suttacentral.net/mn36/en/sujato wrote:As the placing of the mind and keeping it connected were stilled, I entered and remained in the second absorption, which has the rapture and bliss born of immersion, with internal clarity and confidence, and unified mind, without placing the mind and keeping it connected.
Vitakkavicārānaṁ vūpasamā ajjhattaṁ sampasādanaṁ cetaso ekodibhāvaṁ avitakkaṁ avicāraṁ samādhijaṁ pītisukhaṁ dutiyaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja vihāsiṁ.
But even such pleasant feeling did not occupy my mind.
Evarūpāpi kho me, aggivessana, uppannā sukhā vedanā cittaṁ na pariyādāya tiṭṭhati.
I wonder if that occupy means sukha vedana has infected the mind and is a feeling, whereas when not occupied then the sukha vedana is an object(rupa).

what you think?
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Re: commiting corrupt offence, from where rehabilitation is possible

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it means lack of mindfulness and discernment.
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Re: commiting corrupt offence, from where rehabilitation is possible

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Jack19990101 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:33 pm it means lack of mindfulness and discernment.
true, and lack of mindfulness is a loss of protection from deities and enables semen emission during sleep.
https://suttacentral.net/an5.210/en/sujato wrote: “Mendicants, there are these five drawbacks of falling asleep unmindful and unaware.
“Pañcime, bhikkhave, ādīnavā muṭṭhassatissa asampajānassa niddaṁ okkamayato.
What five?
Katame pañca?
You sleep badly and wake miserably. You have bad dreams. The deities don’t protect you. And you emit semen.
Dukkhaṁ supati, dukkhaṁ paṭibujjhati, pāpakaṁ supinaṁ passati, devatā na rakkhanti, asuci muccati.
These are the five drawbacks of falling asleep unmindful and unaware.
Ime kho, bhikkhave, pañca ādīnavā muṭṭhassatissa asampajānassa niddaṁ okkamayato.
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