Are Arahants free from attachment to the pleasure of jhana?

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Are Arahants free from attachment to the pleasure of jhana?

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Are Arahants free from attachment to the pleasure of jhana?
My understanding is Buddha allowed monks to enjoy the pleasure of Jhana.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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SarathW wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:05 am Are Arahants free from attachment to the pleasure of jhana?
My understanding is Buddha allowed monks to enjoy the pleasure of Jhana.


This may be related:
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    “Reverend Koṭṭhita, a perfected one should properly attend to the five grasping aggregates as impermanent, as suffering, as diseased, as an abscess, as a dart, as misery, as an affliction, as alien, as falling apart, as empty, as not-self. A perfected one has nothing more to do, and nothing that needs improvement. Still, these things, when developed and cultivated, lead to blissful meditation in the present life, and also to mindfulness and situational awareness.”
Staying in blissful meditation doesn't necessarily mean enjoying graspingly to it, imo.

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SarathW wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:05 am Are Arahants free from attachment to the pleasure of jhana?
My understanding is Buddha allowed monks to enjoy the pleasure of Jhana.
they dont do jhana out of compulsion but they do because they can
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SarathW wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:05 am Are Arahants free from attachment to the pleasure of jhana?
Yes, they are free from "ruparaga" and "aruparaga".
My understanding is Buddha allowed monks to enjoy the pleasure of Jhana.
Arahants don't let this pleasant feeling invade the mind:
I entered & remained in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born from seclusion, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation. But the pleasant feeling that arose in this way did not invade my mind or remain.
https://accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn ... .than.html
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Assaji wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:05 pm
SarathW wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:05 am Are Arahants free from attachment to the pleasure of jhana?
Yes, they are free from "ruparaga" and "aruparaga".
My understanding is Buddha allowed monks to enjoy the pleasure of Jhana.
Arahants don't let this pleasant feeling invade the mind:
I entered & remained in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born from seclusion, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation. But the pleasant feeling that arose in this way did not invade my mind or remain.
https://accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn ... .than.html
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Re: Are Arahants free from attachment to the pleasure of jhana?

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Hi:

Yes, arahants enjoy jhana but they dont have craving/attachment for that pleasure.

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