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Re: Population reduction
Moderator note: this thread began as a request for information about population reduction as it appears in the suttas.
There is no place here for a general exchange of views about population reduction, vaccines, and conspiracy theories. That is the case regardless of whether said general exchange is peppered with superficial references to "Buddhadhamma" and the like.
If you have anything from the suttas about predictions of population decline, please feel free to post. If not, please don't bother.
There is no place here for a general exchange of views about population reduction, vaccines, and conspiracy theories. That is the case regardless of whether said general exchange is peppered with superficial references to "Buddhadhamma" and the like.
If you have anything from the suttas about predictions of population decline, please feel free to post. If not, please don't bother.
Re: Population reduction
I think he did with the sutta quoted earlier in thread.
Also with the four noble truths
Re: Population reduction
What is a tiracchanakatha discussion?Sam Vara wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:53 amYes, why not, providing it stays within the bounds of the OP, which is about canonical references to such.circuit wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:24 amwhat? Dhammawheel now facilitate a discussion on "population reduction" topic?Sam Vara wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:30 pm Topic now split so that those who want to discuss population reduction can do so here, and those wanting to address the issues of monks accepting medicines can do so in the new thread of that name.
Please could posters note that these are both in General Theravāda Discussion, so any posts about conspiracy theories are likely to be removed as being off-topic.
It wouldn't seem so, and in any case a more relevant question is whether it is within the ToS.isn't it a "tiracchanakatha"
You are free to ask him, but not on this thread, please.i wonder why a "Dhammawheel sotapanna" would start a "tiracchanakatha" topic for "discussion"...?
For those of us who do not speak Pali.
Re: Population reduction
Unworthy talk, beastly talk, animal talk (tiracchāna means "animal"):thepea wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:38 amWhat is a tiracchanakatha discussion?Sam Vara wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:53 amYes, why not, providing it stays within the bounds of the OP, which is about canonical references to such.
It wouldn't seem so, and in any case a more relevant question is whether it is within the ToS.isn't it a "tiracchanakatha"
You are free to ask him, but not on this thread, please.i wonder why a "Dhammawheel sotapanna" would start a "tiracchanakatha" topic for "discussion"...?
For those of us who do not speak Pali.
https://suttacentral.net/sn56.10/en/sujato
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May I inquire to which talk of mine fell into this category?Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:55 amUnworthy talk, beastly talk, animal talk (tiracchāna means "animal"):thepea wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:38 amWhat is a tiracchanakatha discussion?Sam Vara wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:53 am
Yes, why not, providing it stays within the bounds of the OP, which is about canonical references to such.
It wouldn't seem so, and in any case a more relevant question is whether it is within the ToS.
You are free to ask him, but not on this thread, please.
For those of us who do not speak Pali.
https://suttacentral.net/sn56.10/en/sujato
Seems like a personal attack to accuse me of this.
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Of course you may inquire. The best approach for this inquiry would be to PM the person who made the accusation, so as not to engage in meta-discussion on this thread.thepea wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:00 amMay I inquire to which talk of mine fell into this category?Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:55 amUnworthy talk, beastly talk, animal talk (tiracchāna means "animal"):
https://suttacentral.net/sn56.10/en/sujato
I wouldn't have thought so, but your inquiries might help to find out what was meant.Seems like a personal attack to accuse me of this.
Re: Population reduction
Ajahn Punnadhammo in thus vidéo speaks about the future of world systems as its described in suttas.
Suttas say that:
- if in future the dominant evil root will be aversion, then the humain world will collapse in big war, and most of humains will be reborn in hell realms.
- if the dominant root will be greed, then world will be destroyed by famine, with ghost realm as destination.
- if ignorance will dominate humain minds, then the world will collapse in illness, and during pandemic peoples will cultivate compassion, most of then will be reborn in higher realms.
(In Byble they speak about 4 knigts of the collapse : war, famine, illness + antichrist, intresting parallel)
Suttas say that:
- if in future the dominant evil root will be aversion, then the humain world will collapse in big war, and most of humains will be reborn in hell realms.
- if the dominant root will be greed, then world will be destroyed by famine, with ghost realm as destination.
- if ignorance will dominate humain minds, then the world will collapse in illness, and during pandemic peoples will cultivate compassion, most of then will be reborn in higher realms.
(In Byble they speak about 4 knigts of the collapse : war, famine, illness + antichrist, intresting parallel)
We don't live Samsara, Samsara is living us...
"Form, feelings, perceptions, formations, consciousness - don't care about us, we don't exist for them"
"Form, feelings, perceptions, formations, consciousness - don't care about us, we don't exist for them"
Re: Population reduction
I think what you seem to be refering to is the Christian myth of The Last Judgement, and the Four Horseman of theAlino wrote:In Byble they speak about 4 knigts of the collapse : war, famine, illness + antichrist, intresting parallel)
Apocalypse.
There are ancient stories of "end times" in many religious faiths and superstitions but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're true,....otherwise I'd be imagining King Arthur and Knights of the Round Table would be coming to rescue me in any difficult situations in the future!
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There is such thing as collapse of world systems is Buddhist scriptures, so personaly I tend to believe them.Aloka wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:49 amI think what you seem to be refering to is the Christian myth of The Last Judgement, and the Four Horseman of theAlino wrote:In Byble they speak about 4 knigts of the collapse : war, famine, illness + antichrist, intresting parallel)
Apocalypse.
There are ancient stories of "end times" in many religious faiths and superstitions but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're true,....otherwise I'd be imagining King Arthur and Knights of the Round Table would be coming to rescue me in any difficult situations in the future!
If we watch closely, we can see that resources will end soon (only 42 years of oil remain if we refer to the worldometer.com) - so famine will comme soon too.
Also our humain world is complitely deluded in distractions, social medias, socialisation of all kind - and we have pandemic...
So yes, I tend to believe in it...
We don't live Samsara, Samsara is living us...
"Form, feelings, perceptions, formations, consciousness - don't care about us, we don't exist for them"
"Form, feelings, perceptions, formations, consciousness - don't care about us, we don't exist for them"
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It doesn’t have to be taken as literal.Aloka wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:49 amI think what you seem to be refering to is the Christian myth of The Last Judgement, and the Four Horseman of theAlino wrote:In Byble they speak about 4 knigts of the collapse : war, famine, illness + antichrist, intresting parallel)
Apocalypse.
There are ancient stories of "end times" in many religious faiths and superstitions but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're true,....otherwise I'd be imagining King Arthur and Knights of the Round Table would be coming to rescue me in any difficult situations in the future!
The stories are meant to help on to realize their true nature within.
There are many timelines(dimensions) intersecting this reality. The buddha taught of planes of existence.
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... and there are many weird ideas and theories about innumerable things within the universe.
Meanwhile, for most people a living has to be earned, their families have to be cared for, and life goes on regardless of all the gobbledegook being fantasised or argued about on the internet.
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You are alive Aloka, you already earned this life.Aloka wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:08 pm... and there are many weird ideas and theories about innumerable things within the universe.
Meanwhile, for most people a living has to be earned, their families have to be cared for, and life goes on regardless of all the gobbledegook being fantasised or argued about on the internet.
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The teaching of buddha is to realize this to the fullest.
As monks have said in past, don’t waste a breath you never know when it will be your last and the next life may not be as favourable conditions.
Re: Population reduction
There is a Buddha "approved" question which states that there was already a great depopulation ongoing in the Buddha's time. Earlier, not exact time frame is given, but maybe generations before, there was a time when the earth was really populated. Cities and villages were so close that a male chicken can fly between them. And these birds cannot fly far.
"Master Gotama, I have heard older brahmins who are aged, burdened with years, teachers of teachers, saying: ‘In the past this world was so thickly populated one would think there was no space between people. The villages, towns, and capital cities were so close that cocks could fly between them.
Why is it, Master Gotama, that at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished?
At present, brahmin, people are excited by illicit lust, overcome by unrighteous greed, afflicted by wrong Dhamma. As a result, they take up weapons and slay one another. Hence many people die. This is a reason why at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished.
Again, at present people are excited by illicit lust, overcome by unrighteous greed, afflicted by wrong Dhamma. When this happens, sufficient rain does not fall. As a result, there is a famine, a scarcity of grain; the crops become blighted and turn to straw. Hence many people die. This is another reason why at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished.
Again, at present people are excited by illicit lust, overcome by unrighteous greed, afflicted by wrong Dhamma. When this happens, the yakkhas release wild spirits. Hence many people die. This is yet another reason why at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished.
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AN 3.56
"Master Gotama, I have heard older brahmins who are aged, burdened with years, teachers of teachers, saying: ‘In the past this world was so thickly populated one would think there was no space between people. The villages, towns, and capital cities were so close that cocks could fly between them.
Why is it, Master Gotama, that at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished?
At present, brahmin, people are excited by illicit lust, overcome by unrighteous greed, afflicted by wrong Dhamma. As a result, they take up weapons and slay one another. Hence many people die. This is a reason why at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished.
Again, at present people are excited by illicit lust, overcome by unrighteous greed, afflicted by wrong Dhamma. When this happens, sufficient rain does not fall. As a result, there is a famine, a scarcity of grain; the crops become blighted and turn to straw. Hence many people die. This is another reason why at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished.
Again, at present people are excited by illicit lust, overcome by unrighteous greed, afflicted by wrong Dhamma. When this happens, the yakkhas release wild spirits. Hence many people die. This is yet another reason why at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished.
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AN 3.56