Population reduction

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thepea wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:03 pm But did buddha give any … prediction or indication of this time period
Buddha knew yet neglected to say
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Moderator note: this thread began as a request for information about population reduction as it appears in the suttas.

There is no place here for a general exchange of views about population reduction, vaccines, and conspiracy theories. That is the case regardless of whether said general exchange is peppered with superficial references to "Buddhadhamma" and the like.

If you have anything from the suttas about predictions of population decline, please feel free to post. If not, please don't bother.
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cappuccino wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:50 am
thepea wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:03 pm But did buddha give any … prediction or indication of this time period
Buddha knew yet neglected to say
I think he did with the sutta quoted earlier in thread.
Also with the four noble truths
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Sam Vara wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:53 am
circuit wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:24 am
Sam Vara wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:30 pm Topic now split so that those who want to discuss population reduction can do so here, and those wanting to address the issues of monks accepting medicines can do so in the new thread of that name.

Please could posters note that these are both in General Theravāda Discussion, so any posts about conspiracy theories are likely to be removed as being off-topic.
what? Dhammawheel now facilitate a discussion on "population reduction" topic?
Yes, why not, providing it stays within the bounds of the OP, which is about canonical references to such.
isn't it a "tiracchanakatha"
It wouldn't seem so, and in any case a more relevant question is whether it is within the ToS.
i wonder why a "Dhammawheel sotapanna" would start a "tiracchanakatha" topic for "discussion"...?
You are free to ask him, but not on this thread, please.
What is a tiracchanakatha discussion?
For those of us who do not speak Pali.
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thepea wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:38 am
Sam Vara wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:53 am
circuit wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:24 am

what? Dhammawheel now facilitate a discussion on "population reduction" topic?
Yes, why not, providing it stays within the bounds of the OP, which is about canonical references to such.
isn't it a "tiracchanakatha"
It wouldn't seem so, and in any case a more relevant question is whether it is within the ToS.
i wonder why a "Dhammawheel sotapanna" would start a "tiracchanakatha" topic for "discussion"...?
You are free to ask him, but not on this thread, please.
What is a tiracchanakatha discussion?
For those of us who do not speak Pali.
Unworthy talk, beastly talk, animal talk (tiracchāna means "animal"):
https://suttacentral.net/sn56.10/en/sujato
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Sam Vara wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:55 am
thepea wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:38 am
Sam Vara wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:53 am

Yes, why not, providing it stays within the bounds of the OP, which is about canonical references to such.



It wouldn't seem so, and in any case a more relevant question is whether it is within the ToS.



You are free to ask him, but not on this thread, please.
What is a tiracchanakatha discussion?
For those of us who do not speak Pali.
Unworthy talk, beastly talk, animal talk (tiracchāna means "animal"):
https://suttacentral.net/sn56.10/en/sujato
May I inquire to which talk of mine fell into this category?
Seems like a personal attack to accuse me of this.
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thepea wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:00 am
Sam Vara wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:55 am
thepea wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:38 am

What is a tiracchanakatha discussion?
For those of us who do not speak Pali.
Unworthy talk, beastly talk, animal talk (tiracchāna means "animal"):
https://suttacentral.net/sn56.10/en/sujato
May I inquire to which talk of mine fell into this category?
Of course you may inquire. The best approach for this inquiry would be to PM the person who made the accusation, so as not to engage in meta-discussion on this thread.
Seems like a personal attack to accuse me of this.
I wouldn't have thought so, but your inquiries might help to find out what was meant.
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Ajahn Punnadhammo in thus vidéo speaks about the future of world systems as its described in suttas.

Suttas say that:

- if in future the dominant evil root will be aversion, then the humain world will collapse in big war, and most of humains will be reborn in hell realms.
- if the dominant root will be greed, then world will be destroyed by famine, with ghost realm as destination.
- if ignorance will dominate humain minds, then the world will collapse in illness, and during pandemic peoples will cultivate compassion, most of then will be reborn in higher realms.

(In Byble they speak about 4 knigts of the collapse : war, famine, illness + antichrist, intresting parallel)

We don't live Samsara, Samsara is living us...

"Form, feelings, perceptions, formations, consciousness - don't care about us, we don't exist for them"
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Alino wrote:In Byble they speak about 4 knigts of the collapse : war, famine, illness + antichrist, intresting parallel)
I think what you seem to be refering to is the Christian myth of The Last Judgement, and the Four Horseman of the
Apocalypse.

There are ancient stories of "end times" in many religious faiths and superstitions but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're true,....otherwise I'd be imagining King Arthur and Knights of the Round Table would be coming to rescue me in any difficult situations in the future!

:reading:
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Aloka wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:49 am
Alino wrote:In Byble they speak about 4 knigts of the collapse : war, famine, illness + antichrist, intresting parallel)
I think what you seem to be refering to is the Christian myth of The Last Judgement, and the Four Horseman of the
Apocalypse.

There are ancient stories of "end times" in many religious faiths and superstitions but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're true,....otherwise I'd be imagining King Arthur and Knights of the Round Table would be coming to rescue me in any difficult situations in the future!

:reading:
There is such thing as collapse of world systems is Buddhist scriptures, so personaly I tend to believe them.

If we watch closely, we can see that resources will end soon (only 42 years of oil remain if we refer to the worldometer.com) - so famine will comme soon too.
Also our humain world is complitely deluded in distractions, social medias, socialisation of all kind - and we have pandemic...

So yes, I tend to believe in it...
We don't live Samsara, Samsara is living us...

"Form, feelings, perceptions, formations, consciousness - don't care about us, we don't exist for them"
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:)

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Aloka wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:49 am
Alino wrote:In Byble they speak about 4 knigts of the collapse : war, famine, illness + antichrist, intresting parallel)
I think what you seem to be refering to is the Christian myth of The Last Judgement, and the Four Horseman of the
Apocalypse.

There are ancient stories of "end times" in many religious faiths and superstitions but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're true,....otherwise I'd be imagining King Arthur and Knights of the Round Table would be coming to rescue me in any difficult situations in the future!

:reading:
It doesn’t have to be taken as literal.
The stories are meant to help on to realize their true nature within.
There are many timelines(dimensions) intersecting this reality. The buddha taught of planes of existence.
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thepea wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:44 pm .
There are many timelines(dimensions) intersecting this reality.
... and there are many weird ideas and theories about innumerable things within the universe.

Meanwhile, for most people a living has to be earned, their families have to be cared for, and life goes on regardless of all the gobbledegook being fantasised or argued about on the internet.


:anjali:

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Aloka wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:08 pm
thepea wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:44 pm .
There are many timelines(dimensions) intersecting this reality.
... and there are many weird ideas and theories about innumerable things within the universe.

Meanwhile, for most people a living has to be earned, their families have to be cared for, and life goes on regardless of all the gobbledegook being fantasised or argued about on the internet.


:anjali:

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You are alive Aloka, you already earned this life.
The teaching of buddha is to realize this to the fullest.
As monks have said in past, don’t waste a breath you never know when it will be your last and the next life may not be as favourable conditions.
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There is a Buddha "approved" question which states that there was already a great depopulation ongoing in the Buddha's time. Earlier, not exact time frame is given, but maybe generations before, there was a time when the earth was really populated. Cities and villages were so close that a male chicken can fly between them. And these birds cannot fly far.

"Master Gotama, I have heard older brahmins who are aged, burdened with years, teachers of teachers, saying: ‘In the past this world was so thickly populated one would think there was no space between people. The villages, towns, and capital cities were so close that cocks could fly between them.
Why is it, Master Gotama, that at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished?

At present, brahmin, people are excited by illicit lust, overcome by unrighteous greed, afflicted by wrong Dhamma. As a result, they take up weapons and slay one another. Hence many people die. This is a reason why at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished.

Again, at present people are excited by illicit lust, overcome by unrighteous greed, afflicted by wrong Dhamma. When this happens, sufficient rain does not fall. As a result, there is a famine, a scarcity of grain; the crops become blighted and turn to straw. Hence many people die. This is another reason why at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished.

Again, at present people are excited by illicit lust, overcome by unrighteous greed, afflicted by wrong Dhamma. When this happens, the yakkhas release wild spirits. Hence many people die. This is yet another reason why at present the number of people has declined, depopulation is seen, and villages, towns, cities, and districts have vanished.
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AN 3.56
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