Do You recommend Goenka ten days Vipassana retreat?
Do You recommend Goenka ten days Vipassana retreat?
Do You recommend Goenka ten days Vipassana retreat?
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I voted 3 abd 7
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Re: Do You recommend Goenka ten days Vipassana retreat?
The first mass-market retreats i did generally had 45 to 60 minutes of sitting meditation separated by 30 to 45 minutes of walking meditation. Therefore, newbies did not have to suffer and be overly mentally challenged by sitting meditation that is too long and verges of the self-mortification the Buddha condemned.
At my 3rd consecutive retreat, the schedule (after breakfast) was 45 minute each of Dhamma talk, walking, sitting, walking and then in the afternoon, 45 minutes each of sitting, walking, sitting, walking.
But at my 3rd consecutive retreat, tireless energy was aroused in me and unremitting mindfulness was established, my body was tranquil and untroubled, my mind concentrated and unified. Thus, each morning, I voluntarily chose with my free will to sit for 2 hours and 15 minutes each morning and I voluntarily chose with my free will to sit for 2 hours and 15 minutes each afternoon. I was not forced to sit for 2 hours and 15 minutes twice per day. My samadhi was sufficiently developed that i could not even feel my aching legs.
Since i could not even feel any pain in my body due to mental absorption into Anapanasati, what was the use and benefit of Goenka's instruction of trying to foolishly use painful feelings as an object?
Say, theoretically my mind entered into vedanupassana of Anapanasati experiencing rapture & happiness? What was the use and benefit of Goenka's instruction of trying to foolishly use painful feelings as an object?
In summary, newbies should practise according to their capability and not be forced into the self-mortification the Lord Buddha condemned in his 1st sermon.
At my 3rd consecutive retreat, the schedule (after breakfast) was 45 minute each of Dhamma talk, walking, sitting, walking and then in the afternoon, 45 minutes each of sitting, walking, sitting, walking.
But at my 3rd consecutive retreat, tireless energy was aroused in me and unremitting mindfulness was established, my body was tranquil and untroubled, my mind concentrated and unified. Thus, each morning, I voluntarily chose with my free will to sit for 2 hours and 15 minutes each morning and I voluntarily chose with my free will to sit for 2 hours and 15 minutes each afternoon. I was not forced to sit for 2 hours and 15 minutes twice per day. My samadhi was sufficiently developed that i could not even feel my aching legs.
Since i could not even feel any pain in my body due to mental absorption into Anapanasati, what was the use and benefit of Goenka's instruction of trying to foolishly use painful feelings as an object?
Say, theoretically my mind entered into vedanupassana of Anapanasati experiencing rapture & happiness? What was the use and benefit of Goenka's instruction of trying to foolishly use painful feelings as an object?
In summary, newbies should practise according to their capability and not be forced into the self-mortification the Lord Buddha condemned in his 1st sermon.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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Re: Do You recommend Goenka ten days Vipassana retreat?
I would recommend any body who want to start practice meditation in Theravada tradition. Goenka teaches meditation practice according to a Burmese Teacher : Venerable Ledi Sayadaw. This meditation method came from the Buddha's teachings in : Pathama Gelañña Sutta. After you proficiently practice the technique according to the ten days retreat, you start practice further with Mahasatipathana. There is a wonderful translation of Mahasatipathana at Vipassana Research Institute website.
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I posted my opinion over here: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=40837&p=634426#p634426
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Thanks.jons wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:51 pmI would recommend any body who want to start practice meditation in Theravada tradition. Goenka teaches meditation practice according to a Burmese Teacher : Venerable Ledi Sayadaw. This meditation method came from the Buddha's teachings in : Pathama Gelañña Sutta. After you proficiently practice the technique according to the ten days retreat, you start practice further with Mahasatipathana. There is a wonderful translation of Mahasatipathana at Vipassana Research Institute website.
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The Pathama Gelanna sutta is a contemplation... not a ritualistic scanning of the body. It even guides you through it until you start 'knowing' for yourself. Jumping from one sensation to another or staring down a sensation is not focussing on 'inconstancy'. To equate the sutta with the Goenka technique is beyond thin... my opinion.jons wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:51 pmI would recommend any body who want to start practice meditation in Theravada tradition. Goenka teaches meditation practice according to a Burmese Teacher : Venerable Ledi Sayadaw. This meditation method came from the Buddha's teachings in : Pathama Gelañña Sutta. After you proficiently practice the technique according to the ten days retreat, you start practice further with Mahasatipathana. There is a wonderful translation of Mahasatipathana at Vipassana Research Institute website.
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The number 5 option appears silly; why would it matter what ethnicity / race he is?
I notice there are about 3 yes options and 5 no options. This might mislead some with the results as those who do not recommend would have their voting spread out among 5 options. Also, allowing multiple choices can skew the results since some will only pick one choice and some will pick 5 options.
I notice there are about 3 yes options and 5 no options. This might mislead some with the results as those who do not recommend would have their voting spread out among 5 options. Also, allowing multiple choices can skew the results since some will only pick one choice and some will pick 5 options.
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Also... I don't see the relevance of 'Indian'.DNS wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:51 pm The number 5 option appears silly; why would it matter what ethnicity / race he is?
I notice there are about 3 yes options and 5 no options. This might mislead some with the results as those who do not recommend would have their voting spread out among 5 options. Also, allowing multiple choices can skew the results since some will only pick one choice and some will pick 5 options.
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Only anecdotal but this poor chap actually taught mindfulness for years. He includes testimony from others who had very negative experiences that lingered for a long time.
https://danlawton.substack.com/p/when-buddhism-goes-bad
https://danlawton.substack.com/p/when-buddhism-goes-bad
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I recommend Goenka retreats to friends and family, but I also agree with a lot of the danger comments other people have reported.
It's a proper hardcore bootcamp, the most difficult thing I've ever done in my life.
But also the most rewarding thing I've ever done.
I've seen several people have underlying mental illness triggered by the retreat. Not good.
Approach with caution, and take responsibility for your own health.
It's a proper hardcore bootcamp, the most difficult thing I've ever done in my life.
But also the most rewarding thing I've ever done.
I've seen several people have underlying mental illness triggered by the retreat. Not good.
Approach with caution, and take responsibility for your own health.
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I've done quite a few... the difficulty and 'surviving' is seen as a badge of honour or accomplishment by quite a lot of Goenka practitioners... I'm just sad at my wasted time but happy that I kicked the 'habit'.JamesTheGiant wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:12 am I recommend Goenka retreats to friends and family, but I also agree with a lot of the danger comments other people have reported.
It's a proper hardcore bootcamp, the most difficult thing I've ever done in my life.
But also the most rewarding thing I've ever done.
I've seen several people have underlying mental illness triggered by the retreat. Not good.
Approach with caution, and take responsibility for your own health.
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I think discussing the teachings with other practitioners is beneficial, in the sense that each has a perspective, and language being a medium between humans, its relevant for exchanging ideas. The company of the wise is indeed valuable.
But meditation!!!
Why do people go and meditate together eludes me.
But meditation!!!
Why do people go and meditate together eludes me.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"
This was the last word of the Tathagata.
This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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It does generates some extra focus. Perhaps it is similiar to rock concerts, or rave parties - some kind of grop consciousness emerges? Some mental osmosis happends? Btw, I ve seen at least one theravada forrest monastery, in which monks do group meditation for large part of the day ( in front of a skeleton ) , instead of meditating aloe in their kutis. So it's not a lay man's hobby only...Why do people go and meditate together eludes me
Even the self mortification aspect has it's purposes, in my book. That's why I like orgnized meditations, with a set up time. You are dealing with your monkey mind's stron urges to get up, scratch your butt, run away...And you can't follow those impulses , couse your fellow soldiers are watching. It gets really interesting, when this monkey mind suddenly gives up and vanishes.
For some reason the best - or deepest - stuff that I stumbled upon in meditation, happend during the retreats. I wish it was other way around, couse I can't do them nowdays.
Being set in the meditative einvorment, with a good teacher, is priceless. I haven't done Goenka, btw. Not a fan of his method.