non-hungry gosts

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devaloka
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non-hungry gosts

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Often people with (real) paranormal abilities can speak to the death and see ghosts roaming on earth

Are all ghosts on earth hungry ghosts? What about normal ghosts of deceased individuals?

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BKh
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Re: non-hungry gosts

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Great Question! The term "hungry" does often apply to ghosts, but not all ghosts have the problem of hunger. Hunger is a result of not being generous, so an individual ghost may not be hungry since they gave in the past. But because they have done other bad karma they experience different results.

The largest collect of information we have about ghosts is in the Petavattu. You can find a complete translation on line here:
https://suttafriends.org/peta-vatthu/
You can see that they don't all have this hunger problem.

The second largest collection is in the Lakkhana Samyutta. You can read that here:
https://suttafriends.org/sn-19-lakkhana ... ut-ghosts/

Some modern people will label the Pv as non-EBT, but every orthodox Theravada tradition considers them canonical. And using the Buddha's own criterion, we can see that there is nothing in the Pv that directly contradicts the rest of the suttas and of course lots of things that are in harmony. As well, there are no new Dhamma concepts.

I believe in the Mahayana tradition they always say "hungry" when talking about ghosts.
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Re: non-hungry gosts

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BKh wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:43 am
I believe in the Mahayana tradition they always say "hungry" when talking about ghosts.
I think this is incorrect!
devaloka
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Re: non-hungry gosts

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BKh wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:43 am Great Question! The term "hungry" does often apply to ghosts, but not all ghosts have the problem of hunger. Hunger is a result of not being generous, so an individual ghost may not be hungry since they gave in the past. But because they have done other bad karma they experience different results.

The largest collect of information we have about ghosts is in the Petavattu. You can find a complete translation on line here:
https://suttafriends.org/peta-vatthu/
You can see that they don't all have this hunger problem.

The second largest collection is in the Lakkhana Samyutta. You can read that here:
https://suttafriends.org/sn-19-lakkhana ... ut-ghosts/

Some modern people will label the Pv as non-EBT, but every orthodox Theravada tradition considers them canonical. And using the Buddha's own criterion, we can see that there is nothing in the Pv that directly contradicts the rest of the suttas and of course lots of things that are in harmony. As well, there are no new Dhamma concepts.

I believe in the Mahayana tradition they always say "hungry" when talking about ghosts.
Thank you very much! :D

Really impressive site aswell I did not know about suttafriends

Much appreciated ! :anjali:

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2600htz
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Re: non-hungry gosts

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Hi:

If you take ghosts as every kind of being invisible to most humans, then there should be plenty of different types.

You could say devas are ghosts, hungry shades, Gandhabbas, mental bodies, etc.

Pretty much everything in the 31 realms. Taking in consideration probably the 31 realms are just a summary of a very complex universe with endless life forms.

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Re: non-hungry gosts

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2600htz wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:03 pm If you take ghosts as every kind of being invisible to most humans,
Petas are something very specific. I don't see any time that other non-human beings were called petas. The term yakkha is sometimes used as a general term for very powerful non-human beings. But not Petas. They are a specific realm (loka).
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