Often people with (real) paranormal abilities can speak to the death and see ghosts roaming on earth
Are all ghosts on earth hungry ghosts? What about normal ghosts of deceased individuals?
non-hungry gosts
non-hungry gosts
“
Mere suffering exists, no sufferer is found;
The deed is, but no doer of the deed is there;
Nibbàna is, but not the man who enters it;
The path is, but no traveler on it is seen
“
Mere suffering exists, no sufferer is found;
The deed is, but no doer of the deed is there;
Nibbàna is, but not the man who enters it;
The path is, but no traveler on it is seen
“
Re: non-hungry gosts
Great Question! The term "hungry" does often apply to ghosts, but not all ghosts have the problem of hunger. Hunger is a result of not being generous, so an individual ghost may not be hungry since they gave in the past. But because they have done other bad karma they experience different results.
The largest collect of information we have about ghosts is in the Petavattu. You can find a complete translation on line here:
https://suttafriends.org/peta-vatthu/
You can see that they don't all have this hunger problem.
The second largest collection is in the Lakkhana Samyutta. You can read that here:
https://suttafriends.org/sn-19-lakkhana ... ut-ghosts/
Some modern people will label the Pv as non-EBT, but every orthodox Theravada tradition considers them canonical. And using the Buddha's own criterion, we can see that there is nothing in the Pv that directly contradicts the rest of the suttas and of course lots of things that are in harmony. As well, there are no new Dhamma concepts.
I believe in the Mahayana tradition they always say "hungry" when talking about ghosts.
The largest collect of information we have about ghosts is in the Petavattu. You can find a complete translation on line here:
https://suttafriends.org/peta-vatthu/
You can see that they don't all have this hunger problem.
The second largest collection is in the Lakkhana Samyutta. You can read that here:
https://suttafriends.org/sn-19-lakkhana ... ut-ghosts/
Some modern people will label the Pv as non-EBT, but every orthodox Theravada tradition considers them canonical. And using the Buddha's own criterion, we can see that there is nothing in the Pv that directly contradicts the rest of the suttas and of course lots of things that are in harmony. As well, there are no new Dhamma concepts.
I believe in the Mahayana tradition they always say "hungry" when talking about ghosts.
| One sutta per day to your inbox | ReadingFaithfully.org Support for reading the Suttas | Citation lookup helper | Instant sutta name lookup | Instant PED lookup | Instant DPPN lookup |
Re: non-hungry gosts
Thank you very much!BKh wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:43 am Great Question! The term "hungry" does often apply to ghosts, but not all ghosts have the problem of hunger. Hunger is a result of not being generous, so an individual ghost may not be hungry since they gave in the past. But because they have done other bad karma they experience different results.
The largest collect of information we have about ghosts is in the Petavattu. You can find a complete translation on line here:
https://suttafriends.org/peta-vatthu/
You can see that they don't all have this hunger problem.
The second largest collection is in the Lakkhana Samyutta. You can read that here:
https://suttafriends.org/sn-19-lakkhana ... ut-ghosts/
Some modern people will label the Pv as non-EBT, but every orthodox Theravada tradition considers them canonical. And using the Buddha's own criterion, we can see that there is nothing in the Pv that directly contradicts the rest of the suttas and of course lots of things that are in harmony. As well, there are no new Dhamma concepts.
I believe in the Mahayana tradition they always say "hungry" when talking about ghosts.
Really impressive site aswell I did not know about suttafriends
Much appreciated !
“
Mere suffering exists, no sufferer is found;
The deed is, but no doer of the deed is there;
Nibbàna is, but not the man who enters it;
The path is, but no traveler on it is seen
“
Mere suffering exists, no sufferer is found;
The deed is, but no doer of the deed is there;
Nibbàna is, but not the man who enters it;
The path is, but no traveler on it is seen
“
Re: non-hungry gosts
Hi:
If you take ghosts as every kind of being invisible to most humans, then there should be plenty of different types.
You could say devas are ghosts, hungry shades, Gandhabbas, mental bodies, etc.
Pretty much everything in the 31 realms. Taking in consideration probably the 31 realms are just a summary of a very complex universe with endless life forms.
Regards.
If you take ghosts as every kind of being invisible to most humans, then there should be plenty of different types.
You could say devas are ghosts, hungry shades, Gandhabbas, mental bodies, etc.
Pretty much everything in the 31 realms. Taking in consideration probably the 31 realms are just a summary of a very complex universe with endless life forms.
Regards.
Re: non-hungry gosts
Petas are something very specific. I don't see any time that other non-human beings were called petas. The term yakkha is sometimes used as a general term for very powerful non-human beings. But not Petas. They are a specific realm (loka).
| One sutta per day to your inbox | ReadingFaithfully.org Support for reading the Suttas | Citation lookup helper | Instant sutta name lookup | Instant PED lookup | Instant DPPN lookup |
Re: non-hungry gosts
In Tirokudda Kanda,
By this, I think they are all hungry ghosts. It seems they come with various sizes and shapes.
The Thais think of it as a tall and thin entity with small needle sized mouth.
Peta or เปรต
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.htmlOutside the walls they stand,
& at crossroads.
At door posts they stand,
returning to their old homes.
But when a meal with plentiful food & drink is served,
no one remembers them:
Such is the kamma of living beings.
...
For there [in their realm] there's
no farming,
no herding of cattle,
no commerce,
no trading with money.
They live on what is given here,
hungry shades
whose time here is done.
By this, I think they are all hungry ghosts. It seems they come with various sizes and shapes.
The Thais think of it as a tall and thin entity with small needle sized mouth.
Peta or เปรต
Personally, I do believe that some people (rarely) can actually see them via naked eyes. Maybe it's due to kammic link or whatever reason it is. My sister's friend (a Muslimah) in law school is one of those people. She already get used to it and just live with it. Sometimes when she talked to my sister, suddenly stopped and look away. Later she brought my sister away from that place and told her that "something terrible" is nearby with them. The way she described the ghosts are not like those people in white dress and long hair, but very gruesome, strange shape and bloody (which is quite similar to sutta description) and much like a similar space but different realm. Sometimes she just had to look away to avoid unnecessary problems. Even though in Islam, no concept of 'ghost' was taught (only 'Jinn'), still she can't denied what she saw.Often people with (real) paranormal abilities can speak to the death and see ghosts roaming on earth
Last edited by Ontheway on Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:31 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
-
- Posts: 2602
- Joined: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:38 pm
Re: non-hungry gosts
Peta or preta by itself means greed. They have been greedy at the time of death of food, land, money or a lustful nature.
All others other than being greedy are either spending time on looking at a land (bahirava) or clinging with mind on a relative or a loved one or money or ornaments or a building of attachment. Hence all petas are not hiungry for food..Many buddhists give dana or make meritable activities to relieve dear ones from such lower realms also called naraka .
But yakkas are said to be old generation prople living from before buddas times and are not petas.
..
Re: non-hungry gosts
Really? Can Niraya sattas get merits that we dedicated to them? I don't think Suttas ever said that...justindesilva wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:25 pmPeta or preta by itself means greed. They have been greedy at the time of death of food, land, money or a lustful nature.
All others other than being greedy are either spending time on looking at a land (bahirava) or clinging with mind on a relative or a loved one or money or ornaments or a building of attachment. Hence all petas are not hiungry for food..Many buddhists give dana or make meritable activities to relieve dear ones from such lower realms also called naraka .
..
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.
https://suttacentral.net/ja6/en/chalmer ... ight=false
-
- Posts: 2602
- Joined: Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:38 pm
Re: non-hungry gosts
This subject is discussed in Encyclopedia in buddhism under Anumodana by W.G.Weeraratne llater edited by Malasekara.Ontheway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:29 pmReally? Can Niraya sattas get merits that we dedicated to them? I don't think Suttas ever said that...justindesilva wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:25 pmPeta or preta by itself means greed. They have been greedy at the time of death of food, land, money or a lustful nature.
All others other than being greedy are either spending time on looking at a land (bahirava) or clinging with mind on a relative or a loved one or money or ornaments or a building of attachment. Hence all petas are not hiungry for food..Many buddhists give dana or make meritable activities to relieve dear ones from such lower realms also called naraka .
..
Further there is a sutta where lord budda helps spirits to come back to human world who were born as a result of misleading the doning of a dana to a former budda, as a rift between father and sons. I hope somebody will help to find the sutta.
Transferring merits to the dead is ppractised by theravada and mahayana sects.
Re: non-hungry gosts
The picture you show is a being that has a specific name in Malay folklore.Ontheway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:52 pm In Tirokudda Kanda,https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.htmlOutside the walls they stand,
& at crossroads.
At door posts they stand,
returning to their old homes.
But when a meal with plentiful food & drink is served,
no one remembers them:
Such is the kamma of living beings.
...
For there [in their realm] there's
no farming,
no herding of cattle,
no commerce,
no trading with money.
They live on what is given here,
hungry shades
whose time here is done.
By this, I think they are all hungry ghosts. It seems they come with various sizes and shapes.
The Thais think of it as a tall and thin entity with small needle sized mouth.
278407-qgdkh9-2.n.jpgPeta or เปรต
Personally, I do believe that some people (rarely) can actually see them via naked eyes. Maybe it's due to kammic link or whatever reason it is. My sister's friend (a Muslimah) in law school is one of those people. She already get used to it and just live with it. Sometimes when she talked to my sister, suddenly stopped and look away. Later she brought my sister away from that place and told her that "something terrible" is nearby with them. The way she described the ghosts are not like those people in white dress and long hair, but very gruesome, strange shape and bloody (which is quite similar to sutta description) and much like a similar space but different realm. Sometimes she just had to look away to avoid unnecessary problems. Even though in Islam, no concept of 'ghost' was taught (only 'Jinn'), still she can't denied what she saw.Often people with (real) paranormal abilities can speak to the death and see ghosts roaming on earth
Re: non-hungry gosts
From what I can tell, "hungry shades" is just how he's translating peta.https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.htmlIn Tirokudda Kanda,
...hungry shades...
By this, I think they are all hungry ghosts.
| One sutta per day to your inbox | ReadingFaithfully.org Support for reading the Suttas | Citation lookup helper | Instant sutta name lookup | Instant PED lookup | Instant DPPN lookup |
Re: non-hungry gosts
Shades as in shadows?BKh wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:55 amFrom what I can tell, "hungry shades" is just how he's translating peta.https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.htmlIn Tirokudda Kanda,
...hungry shades...
By this, I think they are all hungry ghosts.
Re: non-hungry gosts
Skip to 42:13 - 50:00 ... another interesting ghost story at @50:33 - 54:40
"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "
--------------------------------------------
"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "
--------------------------------------------
"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "
Re: non-hungry gosts
"Shades" as in "spirits of the dead." It's an old-fashioned way of saying "the dead" in English.
What is the Uncreated?
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.