Cause_and_Effect wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:36 am
There are multitudes of passages in the Canon where the Buddha mentions rebirth.
1. Whilst not relevant to this topic, there appears no literal word that means "rebirth" in Pali.
2. Regardless, as said, MN 117 says what is translated as "rebirth" is not related to the Noble Path for stream-entry.
3. When stream-entry is attained there is the view all becoming that arises ceases. Therefore, there is no belief in self.
4. Also, when a stream-enterer has satipatthana, the mind sees the five aggregates are not-self, which also ends personality view.
5. In meditation, the stream-enterer does not even have the thought: "my breath"; let alone the thought: "my rebirth".
6. The stream-enterer sees: "the body breathes" rather than "I breathe".
7. The suttas teach "a being" ("satta") is "reborn" (per common translation). "A being" is a self-view (SN 5.10).
8. Therefore, as said in many ways above, even if the Buddha taught "rebirth", it is not related to stream-entry.
9. In summary, i appears the fervent believers in "rebirth" here do not even understand what "rebirth" is.
10. "Rebirth" is always the continuation of "self-view" and therefore has no compatibility to stream entry.