the idea of "I believe" won't reach stream-entry. Its not about ego or book faith. Its about being able to drop craving & attachmentDhammavamsa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:59 pmAs the title above, I believe that Stream entry and attainment
sotappana is a supramundane fruition that happens in an instant. it appears there cannot be "practising Buddhists" on a supramundane level that are not sotapanna. in other words, whatever these 'Buddhists' are practising, it is not the supramundane practice.
Many heard the Buddha but did not attain sotappana. On this very forum called Dhammawheel, many revile the True Dhammma. Many believe the True Dhamma is about rebirth; which MN 117 says is not Noble. It follows sotappana will be difficult here for those unable to realise as the sotapanna do: "ALL SUBJECT TO ARISING IS SUBJECT TO CESSSATION" - SN 56.11Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:59 pm, by upholding the four advices given by the Buddha, namely:
1) Associate with wise people
2) Listen to the true Dhamma
the above is true in theory but not in practise. for example, on this very forum called Dhammawheel, many revile the True Dhammma. Many believe the True Dhamma is about rebirth; which MN 117 says is not the true noble dhamma. It follows sotappana will be difficult here for those unable to realise as the sotapanna do: "ALL SUBJECT TO ARISING IS SUBJECT TO CESSSATION" - SN 56.11
Bhikkhu Buddhadasa taught how to practice according to the True Dhamma, namely, eradicating self-view
sure, this can be copy & pasted from a bookDhammavamsa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:59 pmAnd according to the Suttas, Sotapanna is about eliminating the 3 samyojana (Sakkaya Ditthi, Vicikiccha, Silabbata paramasa) and gaining the 4 factors (unwavering confidence to Buddha, ...to Dhamma, ...to Sangha,& uphold untorn, unbroken virtues praised by the wise ones)
The above can be reaching to high. Anattalakkhana Sutta resulted in arahants. Premature reading of Anattalakkhana Sutta will cause the self to think like Vacchagotta in SN 44.10 or cause difficulty like to Channa in SN 22.90. The suttas appear to mostly show the Dhammacakkappavatta Sutta for stream-entry, i.e, giving up of craving, including the craving for stream-entry.Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:59 pmFor me, the three factors :
To get rid of Sakkaya Ditthi: I am read and ponder Anattalakkhana Sutta. And also the Okkantasamyutta 10 short suttas.
The above appears contradicting what was previously written. Previously, it was written: "Sotapanna is about eliminating the 3 samyojana (Sakkaya Ditthi, Vicikiccha, Silabbata paramasa) and gaining the 4 factors". In other words, unwavering confidence to Buddha is not the giving up of Vicikiccha. Vicikiccha is given up by Dhammavicaya, namely, having the direct realisation the abandoning of Sakkaya Ditthi results in peace & freedom.Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:59 pmTo get rid of Vicikiccha:
1) To Buddha: Jayamangala atthagatha and Buddhanussati meditation. It was sufficient for me.
The above sounds wrong. The suttas say the Dhamma confidence is: "the dhamma is well-spoken by the Blessed One, visible in the here & now, inviting inspection, immediately effective, to be experienced by the wise individually".Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:59 pm2) To Dhamma: I'm using Dhammacakkappavatana Sutta. It is sufficient for me.
If the Dhammacakkappavatana Sutta is misinterpreted to mean "rebirth", it cannot be a refuge because the word "ponobhavika" in the Dhammacakkappavatana Sutta means "new becoming"; which means "new egoism".
Often a puthujjana view the great Arahanta Thera and Theri with Sakkaya Ditthi; similar to Vakkali in the suttas.Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:59 pm3) To Sangha: I read Dhammapada and stories of great Arahanta Thera and Theri. That sufficient for me.
get rid of Silabbata paramasa is done my getting rid of Vicikiccha. In other words, when having the direct realisation the abandoning of Sakkaya Ditthi results in peace & freedom; it is realised doing good & believing in "rebirth" is not directly related to the Path.Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:59 pmTo get rid of Silabbata paramasa:
I read the booklet "What Buddhists Believe" by late Dr K Sri Dhammananda Mahanayaka thera. So no more weird rituals, astrology, taro cards, mantras, belief of pure luck, or some rituals & rules to appease gods or guardian Devas.
Possibly you can read how Bhikkhu Buddhadasa explained these things, here: EMANCIPATION FROM THE WORLD.
I pointed out the methods above appear wrong; particularly about the Dhamma. The Dhamma confidence is as follows:Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:59 pmAnd the four factors :
Unwavering confidence to Buddha, ...to Dhamma,...to Sangha:
I can gain them using methods above.
‘The teaching is well explained by the Buddha— visible here & now, immediately effective, inviting inspection, leading onwards (to inner peace), experienced individually by the wise.
‘svākkhāto bhagavatā dhammo sandiṭṭhiko akāliko ehipassiko opaneyyiko paccattaṁ veditabbo viññūhīti.
Sila can actually be an obstacle when there is Silabbata paramasa. Many do not use wise consideration to consider silabbata paramasa includes wrong views about sila; which generate self-views.Dhammavamsa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:59 pmUntorn unbroken virtues praised by the wise ones:
Here I got two versions, 5 precepts and 10 wholesome deeds (No killing, no stealing, no sexual misconduct, no lying, no backstabbing, no harsh speech, no vain talk, no conceit, no ill will, not to be deluded). I practice 5 precepts daily but vain talk is really hard when working in office with politics.