anxiety rather than pain
the great rebirth debate
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Life is also full of pain.cappuccino wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:00 pmanxiety rather than pain
“Mendicants, there are these three forms of suffering. What three? The suffering inherent in painful feeling; the suffering inherent in conditions; and the suffering inherent in perishing. These are the three forms of suffering.”
Conditioned existence is dukkha. Only Nibbana is free from all dukkha.
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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Saṃsāra is painful
hence Nirvana is desirable
otherwise I would not place much emphasis on pain
hence Nirvana is desirable
otherwise I would not place much emphasis on pain
Re: the great rebirth debate
Saṃsāra is total misery whist nibbāna is not, yes.cappuccino wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:04 pm Saṃsāra is painful
hence Nirvana is desirable
otherwise I would not place much emphasis on pain
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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misery is a better translation
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Fine. Misery includes both mental stress and physical pain.
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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pain is not a psychological thing
whereas dukkha is a psychological thing
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Rebirth is quite literal.cappuccino wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:10 pmpain is not a psychological thing
whereas dukkha is a psychological thing
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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dukkha is also pain
since dukkha is the difficulty of life
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- AN 8.6“But, bhikkhus, (1) when an instructed noble disciple meets with pain, he reflects thus: ‘This pain that I have met is impermanent, suffering, and subject to change.’ He thus understands it as it really is.
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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https://suttacentral.net/an10.65/en/sujatoAt one time Venerable Sāriputta was staying in the land of the Magadhans near the little village of Nālaka. Then the wanderer Sāmaṇḍakāni went up to Venerable Sāriputta and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, Sāmaṇḍakāni sat down to one side, and said to Sāriputta:
“Reverend Sāriputta, what is happiness and what is suffering?”
“Rebirth is suffering, reverend, no rebirth is happiness. When there is rebirth, you can expect this kind of suffering. Cold, heat, hunger, thirst, defecation, and urination. Contact with fire, clubs, and knives. And relatives and friends get together and annoy you. When there is rebirth, this is the kind of suffering you can expect. When there is no rebirth, you can expect this kind of happiness. No cold, heat, hunger, thirst, defecation, or urination. No contact with fire, clubs, or knives. And relatives and friends don’t get together and annoy you. When there is no rebirth, this is the kind of happiness you can expect.”
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
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"rebirth" is not mentioned in dependent origination (which the Buddha called the "wrong path")
as for the Buddha, he advocated only dependent cessation, which he called "the right path"...
refer to SN 12.3
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Re: the great rebirth debate
In the dependent origination , the six sense bases came to be after namarupa . The right path cover mundane right view . With the condition of namarupa , the six sense bases came to be , there is not possible for "physical" bases appear in DO if all links are mental aspects . And mental conditioning without having physicality are not possible .
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