Two Truths

[Ceisiwr]

auto:

"Those ascetics and brahmins who regard anything as self in various ways all regard as self the five aggregates subject to clinging, or a certain one among them." (SN 22.47)

"Any kind of form whatsoever, whether past, future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or superior, far or near, all form should be seen as it really is with correct wisdom thus: ‘This is not mine, this I am not, this is not my self.’" [same with the other aggregates: feeling, perception, volitional formations, consciousness] (SN 22.59)

Yes, i take khandhas as my self. Any problem with that?
I am aware how people can twist things to sound like it is something you can simply put down. Namely using some idea defining things like mundane and conventional - which likely even not comply with the original meaning of two truths.

Nothing except it will be a condition for dukkha (taking the aggregates as self) since you can't do that without first grasping them, which itself is based on craving.

[sphairos]

craving doesnt exis and Bubba doesnt exis

[auto]

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ok the two views.
The mundane refers to the transmigrating within this life - jhāna practice. Mundane simply means restraint and restraint derived result. Supramundane are mundane deeds what doesn't bring result, instead they are path and its fruit.

So a wise person,
Tasmā lobhañca dosañca,
a mendicant arousing knowledge
mohajañcāpi viddasu;
of the outcome of greed, hate, and delusion,
Vijjaṁ uppādayaṁ bhikkhu,
would cast off all bad destinies.”
sabbā duggatiyo jahe”ti.

As per these quotes one need know the outcome of greed. How it becomes known is when the deeds done based on greed will be experienced no other place than this same life(ref to jhāna), at some point then the ignorant will arouse knowledge and attains path fruit. Path fruit is casting off
the bad destinies.

When an ignorant person acts
Lobhajaṁ dosajañceva,
out of greed, hate, or delusion,
mohajañcāpaviddasu;
any deeds they have performed
Yaṁ tena pakataṁ kammaṁ,
—whether a little or a lot—
appaṁ vā yadi vā bahuṁ;
are to be experienced right here,
Idheva taṁ vedaniyaṁ,
not in any other place.
vatthu aññaṁ na vijjati.

[auto]

Nothing except it will be a condition for dukkha (taking the aggregates as self) since you can't do that without first grasping them, which itself is based on craving.

Nope. It means i'm still a game and able to cultivate and meditate and bring forth a fruit. Restraint itself will make craving available to be reckoned.

[auto]

craving doesnt exis and Bubba doesnt exis

Nope, buddha is a satta. Enlightened being. One attains enlightenment.
People just mistaking everyday person(who doesn't do anything) with the term mundane used in the Suttas. Albeit from an another person perspective you can judge from the actions what that person does, what will be the destination.

[Ceisiwr]

Nothing except it will be a condition for dukkha (taking the aggregates as self) since you can't do that without first grasping them, which itself is based on craving.

Nope. It means i'm still a game and able to cultivate and meditate and bring forth a fruit. Restraint itself will make craving available to be reckoned.

Taking the aggregates to be self doesn't mean you can't meditate or generate and experience the result of kamma. Those who follow Vedanta still meditate, and likely can reach Jhāna too.

[auto]

Nothing except it will be a condition for dukkha (taking the aggregates as self) since you can't do that without first grasping them, which itself is based on craving.

Nope. It means i'm still a game and able to cultivate and meditate and bring forth a fruit. Restraint itself will make craving available to be reckoned.

Taking the aggregates to be self doesn't mean you can't meditate or generate and experience the result of kamma. Those who follow Vedanta still meditate, and likely can reach Jhāna too.

Yes, the best thing about meditation i found from a hindu-like book. mainly how to backcheck(physical evidence) if what you do is going to bring any result in the future. Since you can sit, you still need know what to do and it can take a long time before you get result so there comes the factor of faith in what you do and knowing to check signs will give you the faith.

[Ceisiwr]

Nope. It means i'm still a game and able to cultivate and meditate and bring forth a fruit. Restraint itself will make craving available to be reckoned.

Taking the aggregates to be self doesn't mean you can't meditate or generate and experience the result of kamma. Those who follow Vedanta still meditate, and likely can reach Jhāna too.

Yes, the best thing about meditation i found from a hindu-like book. mainly how to backcheck(physical evidence) if what you do is going to bring any result in the future. Since you can sit, you still need know what to do and it can take a long time before you get result so there comes the factor of faith in what you do and knowing to check signs will give you the faith.

Perhaps a Hindu forum would be better for you then?

[auto]

Perhaps a Hindu forum would be better for you then?

Name one, or you are one of those bad bosses who just fires?

[Ceisiwr]

Perhaps a Hindu forum would be better for you then?

Name one, or you are one of those bad bosses who just fires?

I used to post here some time ago. It's quite good: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/

[auto]

Perhaps a Hindu forum would be better for you then?

Name one, or you are one of those bad bosses who just fires?

I used to post here some time ago. It's quite good: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/

thanks

[sphairos]

craving doesnt exis and Bubba doesnt exis

Nope, buddha is a satta. Enlightened being. One attains enlightenment.
People just mistaking everyday person(who doesn't do anything) with the term mundane used in the Suttas. Albeit from an another person perspective you can judge from the actions what that person does, what will be the destination.

I was just kidding. I was talking about "Bubba" Smith, Hightower from the Police Academy

[Spiny Norman]

Perhaps a Hindu forum would be better for you then?

Name one, or you are one of those bad bosses who just fires?

https://www.religiousforums.com/forums/hinduism-dir.13/

[auto]

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nice

[auto]

Perhaps a Hindu forum would be better for you then?

Name one, or you are one of those bad bosses who just fires?

https://www.religiousforums.com/forums/hinduism-dir.13/

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