False narrative? Razib Khan said himself...the Aryans were "white"...what part don't you understand?Cause_and_Effect wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:56 amProblem is none of this supports the false narrative you are trying to push equating the ancient Aryans with modern Europeans at all. Calling them "white" is a stretch also as even Khan says.Kusala wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:23 pm
Razib Khan is a well respected geneticist and an expert when it comes to Indo-European origins...
if you can't afford to sit through 25:45, skip to the main point of the video, which starts at 11:40-15:40...
And if you can't sit through 4 minutes, here's the main point...
Yes, the Aryans were "White", and 25% had blue eyes...but, there's a twist...care to find out?
So let's look at some of the twists.
Where do blue eyes in Europe actually come from? From these guys, the earliest Western Hunter gatherers which make up about 30-40% of the modern European ancestry.
Cheddar-Man-ancient-briton-CREDIT-AAP-Channel-4-Plimsoll-080218-1120.jpg
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/hist ... ed-dna-spd
So modern Europeans have significant non-Aryan ancestry, and ironically the blue eyes are an originally non-Aryan trait that was picked up later in the corded ware from the hunter gatherers.
As mentioned Europeans have also lost the dark skin since that time which somewhat obscures their mixed origins from dark skinned people.
Also Razib Khan is actually talking about the Sintashta, who were not the original proto-Indo-European speakers. For that we have to look at the Yamnaya people who came before.
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Yes this is correct. Reich has said that the source population for the earliest Indo-Europeans of the Yamnaya is likely around Iran or Armenia. They lacked genes for light eyes or hair. As I posted earlier from the study.sphairos wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:05 pm
And this is exactly what modern genetic data suggests (David Reich was the head of the paper from 2015):
David Reich, in his 2018 publication Who We Are and How We Got Here, noting the presence of some Indo-European languages (such as Hittite) in parts of ancient Anatolia, states that "the most likely location of the population that first spoke an Indo-European language was south of the Caucasus Mountains, perhaps in present-day Iran or Armenia, because ancient DNA from people who lived there matches what we would expect for a source population both for the Yamnaya and for ancient Anatolians."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_ ... #Reception
It is Ok to be wrong and let the science speak for itself.
Aryans and Proto-Indoeuropeans weren't "white", abandon stupid ancient racist and Nazi myths, educate yourself.
Immanuel Kant proclaimed that the motto of the Age of Enlightenment is Sapere aude ("Dare to be wise/thinking").
What their skin color was is debatable since people in general have been getting less swarthy due to light skin selection."Blue eyes... are thanks to a specific mutation near a gene called OCA2. As none of the Yamnaya samples have this mutation, it seems likely that modern Europeans owe this trait to their ancestry from these European hunter gatherers of the Mesolithic (10,000-5,000 BC)."
I have seen some reconstructions of the early Indo-Europeans like this, bearing in mind reconstructions are a guestimate at best and if you made him a little lighter or darker it would drastically alter our perception of his 'race'.
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Add a shade and he could look like any typical Indo-Iranian. Add a few more more dark shades he could look like a typical Dravidian even. Take a few shades away he would look more White. It's perception. Ultimately we see what we want to see as fulfilling our identity view preferences.
"The Sintashta culture is thought to represent an eastward migration of peoples from the Corded Ware culture. It is widely regarded as the origin of the Indo-Iranian languages.[9][10]]..."
"Allentoft 2015 analyzed the remains of four individuals ascribed to the Sintastha culture. One male carried haplogroup R1a and J1c1b1a, while the other carried R1a1a1b and J2b1a2a. The two females carried U2e1e and U2e1h respectively.[15][27] The study found a close autosomal genetic relationship between peoples of Corded Ware culture and Sintashta culture, which "suggests similar genetic sources of the two," and may imply that "the Sintashta derives directly from an eastward migration of Corded Ware peoples."[15]
Sintashta individuals and Corded Ware individuals both had a relatively higher ancestry proportion derived from the Central Europe, and both differed markedly in such ancestry from the population of the Yamnaya Culture and most individuals of the Poltavka Culture that preceded Sintashta in the same geographic region.[d] The Bell Beaker culture, the Unetice culture and contemporary Scandinavian cultures were also found to be closely genetically related to Corded Ware. A particularly high lactose tolerance was found among Corded Ware and the closely related Nordic Bronze Age.[e] In addition, the study found the Sintashta culture to be closely genetically related to the succeeding Andronovo culture.[f] "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture