BUDDHADHAMMA by P. A. Payutto . English translation by Robin Moore.

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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:44 pm BUDDHADHAMMA: THE LAW OF NATURE AND THEIR BENEFILTS TO LIFE
BHIKKHU P.A. PAYUTTO

https://www.asiabooks.com/buddhadhamma- ... 32805.html

it looks like it's just for thailand

https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/bu ... to/21577/7

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Only guessing, but if the publication date is 2019 these or other printings are from Third or Second editions. The new one is Fourth edition, so maybe it will eventually have wider distribution.
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Seeing the need for more foundational & simpler teachings, this booklet was the result:

https://www.watnyanaves.net/uploads/Fil ... nglish.pdf
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Hi Bodom,
bodom wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:11 pm I just hope I can get a hard copy.
See http://www.bargainbookmole.com/compare- ... 0791426326

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Assaji wrote: Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:18 am Hi Bodom,
bodom wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:11 pm I just hope I can get a hard copy.
See http://www.bargainbookmole.com/compare- ... 0791426326

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Hi Assaji

Thanks so much for the link but I actually already own that copy. It is not the full translation of Buddhadhamma that I am currently seeking but contains only a few chapters from it. I appreciate you nevertheless. :heart:

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arkaprava wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:44 am Foreword by Ven. Ajahn Jayasaro
So a monk wrote a book about his interpretation of the Pali Canon? I don't see this belonging or adding to the Pali Canon.

To make my point clear, any book written by a monk ordained in the Theravada tradition doesn't add to what is explained in the Pali Canon. On the contrary, any monk can have a different interpretation, which may lead to sectarianism. Or is the monk in this case a special monk?
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PeterC86 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:54 pm
arkaprava wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:44 am Foreword by Ven. Ajahn Jayasaro
So a monk wrote a book about his interpretation of the Pali Canon? I don't see this belonging or adding to the Pali Canon.
Did anyone claim that it did?
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No book version of the 2000 pages 2021 edition that I know of yet. Bhikkhu Payutto's Introduction alone is around 70 pages, but here is how it begins:
People today frequently pose the question whether Buddhism is a religion,
a philosophy, or simply a way of life. This query gives rise to all sorts of
debates and opinions, which often just create confusion.

Although this book Buddhadhamma is written as a form of philosophical
treatise, I will not engage in the aforementioned debate.* My focus will
simply be on what is stated in the Buddha’s teachings – on the gist of
these teachings. As for the question whether Buddhism is a philosophy
or not, it is up to various philosophical systems themselves to determine
whether Buddhism fits their criteria. Buddhism remains what it is; it is
unaffected by these judgements and interpretations. The only specification
I wish to make here is that any teaching or doctrine on truth that is
only intended as an intellectual exercise of logic or reason, and contains
no corresponding elements for practical application in everyday life, is
not Buddhism, especially the original and genuine teachings given by the
Buddha himself, which are referred to as Buddha-Dhamma.

It is a difficult task to compile the Buddha’s teachings, especially on
the premise that one is presenting the true or genuine teachings, even if
one cites passages from the Pali Canon which are considered the words
of the Buddha. This is because these teachings are copious and contain
various dimensions or levels of profundity, and also because imparting
them accurately depends on the intelligence and sincerity of the person
presenting them. It may happen that two people with divergent opinions
are both able to quote passages from the sacred texts supporting their
own points of view. To determine the truth is dependent on how accurately
one grasps the essence of these teachings, and on how consistent the
link is between one’s theories and the evidence one uses to support them.
In many cases the supporting evidence is not comprehensive enough,
and thus it is inevitable that the presentation of Buddha-Dhamma often
reflects the opinions and understanding of the person interpreting it.
################################

* When I began to write this book, I was invited to compile the Buddha’s teachings
(Buddha-Dhamma) into chapters by following a philosophical approach.
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Nicholas Weeks wrote: No book version of the 2000 pages 2021 edition that I know of yet. Bhikkhu Payutto's Introduction alone is around 70 pages, but here is how it begins:
Thanks Nicholas. I still haven't had any luck finding a hard copy version. I've sent out quite a few emails to anyone associated with the publication and haven't heard anything back yet. The search continues. :shrug:

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bodom wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:58 pm
Nicholas Weeks wrote: No book version of the 2000 pages 2021 edition that I know of yet. Bhikkhu Payutto's Introduction alone is around 70 pages, but here is how it begins:
Thanks Nicholas. I still haven't had any luck finding a hard copy version. I've sent out quite a few emails to anyone associated with the publication and haven't heard anything back yet. The search continues. :shrug:

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Yep - until that happens the PDF will have to do. So some excerpts from the PDF will continue to be posted.
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To clarify one’s analysis of the teachings, it is helpful to examine the
life and conduct of the Buddha, the supreme teacher, who is the origin and
source of these teachings. Although one may argue that the stories
of the Buddha’s activities come from the same sources as the formal
teachings, nonetheless they are very useful for reflection. Occasionally,
the Buddha’s actions reflect his aims and wishes more clearly than the
formal teachings in the scriptures.
[...]
The true objective and extent of activities by the Buddha and his
disciples is summed up by the Buddha’s injunction, which he gave when
he sent out the first generation of disciples to proclaim the teachings:

Bhikkhus, wander forth for the welfare and happiness of the manyfolk,
out of compassion for the world, for the benefit, welfare and happiness of gods and humans.
Vin. I. 20-21.

The Pāsādika Sutta offers a summary of how the Buddhist teachings
are connected to society and how they benefit various groups of people:
The ‘holy life’ (brahmacariya = the Buddhist religion) is only considered
to have reached fulfilment, to be of benefit to the many-folk, and to be
firmly established – what is referred to as ‘well-declared by devas and
human beings’ – when the following factors are complete:

1. The Teacher (satthā) is distinguished, experienced, mature, and
advanced in seniority.
2. There are bhikkhu elder disciples with expert knowledge, who are
well-trained and fearless, who have realized the unsurpassed safety
from bondage, who are able to teach the Dhamma to others effectively,
and who successfully refute (opposing) doctrines correctly
and in line with the Dhamma. Moreover, there are bhikkhus of
middle-standing and newly ordained monks who have the same abilities.
3. There are bhikkhuni disciples – nuns who are senior, of middle-standing,
and newly ordained – who have the same abilities.
4. There are male lay disciples, both those who live a celibate life and
those who live at home and enjoy the pleasures of the senses, who
have the same abilities.
5. There are female lay disciples, both those who live a celibate life
and those who live at home and enjoy the pleasures of the senses,
who have the same abilities.

Even lacking female householders with such virtuous qualities means
that Buddhism is not yet prospering and complete.
This sutta reveals how the Buddhist teachings are intended for everyone,
both renunciants and householders. Buddhism embraces all of society.
From Introduction lvi, lxi-lxii
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Primary Attributes of Buddha-Dhamma

The two main attributes of Buddha-Dhamma may be summarized as follows:

1. It reveals ‘middle’ (i.e. ‘objective’) principles of truth, and is thus
referred to as the middle truth (majjhena-dhamma) or the middle
teaching (majjhena-dhammadesanā). It reflects the truth in strict
line with cause and effect and according to laws of nature. It has
been revealed solely for the benefit of practical application in real
life. It does not promote an attempt to realize the truth by creating
various theories and dogmas based on philosophical conjecture
and inference, which are consequently adhered to, debated and defended.

2. It lays down a system of practice referred to as the ‘middle way’
(majjhimā-paṭipadā), which acts as a guideline for those undergoing
spiritual training. These practitioners gain a clear insight into
their lives, steer away from credulity, and aim for those fruits
of practice accessible in this lifetime, namely: happiness, purity,
enlightenment, peace, and liberation. In practical application the
Middle Way is connected to other factors, such as one’s life as a
renunciant or life as a householder.

Buddhism is a religion of action (kamma-vāda; kiriya-vāda), a religion of
effort (viriya-vāda). It is not a religion of supplication nor is it a religion
based on hope.
pp. lxii-lxiii
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Hi all! I just wanted to let you all know I found a store that sells the 4th edition and ships to the US! I won’t post the link, because I don’t want to seem like I am a spammer, but just search the ISBN(9789747892710) on Kinokuniya Thailand.

It was a bit of a headache getting it (it took weeks just to hear from them) and it was pricey ($40 for the book, $100 for the shipping), but the only other option if you want a hard copy of it is someone on eBay is selling used copies for $300.

It’s 1500 pages, the only thing different about the 2000 page PDF is the size of the font. Makes it easier for screen reading and printing on lower quality home printers, I am assuming. This is a beefy book that does not need an extra 500 pages lol.

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All I get online from this Japanese-based bookstore chain in Thailand in Forbidden.

Here are the branches in USA, maybe one of them will be stocking or ordering the new Buddhadhamma edition.

https://usa.kinokuniya.com/stores-kinokuniya
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Here is the direct link, see if this works for you.

https://thailand.kinokuniya.com/bw/9789747892710

The copyright page says “fourth edition - 10,000 copies for sale within Thailand” so I don’t know if we will see anyone selling it outside of Thailand.
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CrowTRobot wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:19 pm Here is the direct link, see if this works for you.

https://thailand.kinokuniya.com/bw/9789747892710

The copyright page says “fourth edition - 10,000 copies for sale within Thailand” so I don’t know if we will see anyone selling it outside of Thailand.
Nope -- still says 403 Forbidden. Never mind, I have books aplenty to ponder.
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