What makes the mind arise after it has ceased?

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un8- wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:12 am When the mind has ceased, there is no more consciousness, what makes the mind come back?
Life [energy] or [life] energy.
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99.999% of people won’t reach that state, so I wouldn’t worry about it.
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un8- wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:01 amMaybe then an Arahant returns from Nirodha Samapatti because his mind isn't developed enough to not return from Nirodha Samapatti, aka "Nibbana with residue"
The above appears to imply "Nibbana with residue" is inferior to "Nibbana without residue". It appears this apparently false idea is commonly held by reincarnationists. In reality, what was special about the Buddha's revelations was "Nibbana with residue" because this is the only possible state of complete liberation whilst being alive.
un8- wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:01 amSo perhaps it's the residue that makes the Arahant's mind return from Nirodha Samapatti.
No. The "residue" appears merely continuing to have sense experience that apprehends what is pleasant & unpleasant. Refer to Iti 44. Since there is no craving or intention involved here, the "residue" would not be relevant to your vibhava ideas.
un8- wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:01 amDoes this imply that the Arahant would not develop their mind to the point of not returning from Nirodha Samapatti (i.e. attaining Parinibbana) until they have that intention to develop their mind to that point (attaining Parinibbana)?
Not really because the Buddha passed away after emerging from the 4th jhana after emerging from Nirodha Samapatti. The Buddha passed away with a clear undistorted awake conscious MIND OF WISDOM. Refer to DN 16. You appeared to have developed a conceptual infatuation for Nirodha Samapatti. I notice our member [name redacted by admin] has not posted for a while. Are you are reincarnation of RightViewWTF? :shrug: I know you actually are not [name redacted by admin] but many speculators develop this 'Nirodha Samapatti Porn'. The Buddha-Dhamma says the mind is liberated by wisdom yet many are stuck on imagined states of unconsciousness. :roll:
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Craving.
‘The sage has known both ends,
and is not stuck in the middle.
He is a great man, I declare,
he has escaped the seamstress here.’

“Yes, sir,” they replied. The Buddha said this:

“Contact, reverends, is one end. The origin of contact is the second end. The cessation of contact is the middle. And craving is the seamstress, for craving weaves one to being reborn in one state of existence or another. That’s how a mendicant directly knows what should be directly known and completely understands what should be completely understood. Knowing and understanding thus they make an end of suffering in this very life.”

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So what makes the sankharas arise again? What causes the Arahant's mind to emerge from Nirodha Samapatti to arise mental sankhara, mind consciousness, mind, and mind objects?
This is a good question and I do not have a logical answer.
Perhaps in this state only (the perception and feelings)Sanna and Vedana are absent.
Perhaps the Bhavaga Citta still remain.
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SarathW wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:50 am Perhaps the Bhavaga Citta still remain.
Unlikely, since there appears no Bhavaga Citta in the Buddha's Teaching.
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un8- wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:12 am
So what makes the sankharas arise again? What causes the Arahant's mind to emerge from Nirodha Samapatti to arise mental sankhara, mind consciousness, mind, and mind objects?
Nirodha Samapatti is a jhana state , the mind emerge from it when the jhana concentration strength receded .


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This is from Dan Lusthaus's Buddhist Phenomenology :

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