DiamondNgXZ wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:55 amYes, broadly interpreted, it recommends veganism. Specifically interpreted, at least don't serve meat if you're going to dana to monks.bpallister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:46 am "In any case, as a monk, it's risky to accept meat offered specially for monks, given that we might not know if the lay people actually gone to the market to purposely get the animals killed. How often is MN 55 cited in dhamma talks to prevent such practise? Given that meat cannot be eaten if suspected that it's killed for me, I wouldn't want to eat meat offered specially for monks."
Seems like semantics, as it's all killed for "someone" and killing is wrong.
Nowadays, the standards seems to be that people can buy meat from supermarket, so the following from MN55, doesn't happen:
Yet, let's go back to the days of the Buddha, often there comes a meal invitation for the next day, and the donor invited 500 monks along with the Buddha. So to prepare such a large meal, they obviously didn't had supermarkets with ready made meat, if they have to put meat in the menu, it involves a lot of killing. Thus by logical analysis, it can be deduced that such invitations are vegan/vegetarian meals.“Jīvaka, anyone who slaughters a living creature specially for the Realized One or the Realized One’s disciple makes much bad karma for five reasons.
When they say: ‘Go, fetch that living creature,’ this is the first reason.
When that living creature experiences pain and sadness as it’s led along by a collar, this is the second reason.
When they say: ‘Go, slaughter that living creature,’ this is the third reason.
When that living creature experiences pain and sadness as it’s being slaughtered, this is the fourth reason.
When they provide the Realized One or the Realized One’s disciple with unallowable food, this is the fifth reason.
Anyone who slaughters a living creature specially for the Realized One or the Realized One’s disciple makes much bad karma for five reasons.”
It's good to follow the spirit of it too nowadays, if lay people serve monks, since even if the process of killing is much more removed from the buyer, the killing still happens up the line to provide meat if such meal donation contains it. Strictly speaking, there's no issue if the meat is already dead from supermarket. However, it could be too that some families do have chickens in their home, and on hearing that the monks are coming to meal the next day, killed their chicken and serve it up. Monks who eat meat need to be on guard for those. It's easier to just go vegan.
Anyone remember commander sīhå?
He bought meat at the market.
Dunt advise bhikkhus to practice self-mortification.
Remember Sutta Nipātå 2.2