The above sounds illogical because Paṭiccasamuppāda is Supramundane.
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Whoops i meant "non-returner" is not attracted to food. Therefore, attraction to food would be the most subtle sensual craving of a once-again-returner; particularly given it is related to the most basic life need.
Food & sex can both be sensual pleasures.
Again, more verbal nonsense. Five precepts thanks.
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Re: "The Buddha via the Bible"
I am watching on youtube a talk on "Rebirth in Early Buddhism & current research" with Bhikkhu Analāyo. There is a moment where he says something similar to what Bhikkhu Thanissaro said in his article. It is related to the belief in rebirth : "...it is a basic tendency in western buddhism that has its roots in protestant buddhism in past colonial history and it's based on universalization of subjectivity: i like this therefore this must be what the buddha thought..." This was a part of the talk where the speaker mentions the disbelief in rebirth in western buddhism.
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We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Dhamma, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Sangha, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
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But many probably most Western Buddhists, similar to Thanissaro and Analayo, believe in rebirth. Therefore, it appears Thanissaro and Analayo's views are self-contradictory.Kjigme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:52 am I am watching on youtube a talk on "Rebirth in Early Buddhism & current research" with Bhikkhu Analāyo. There is a moment where he says something similar to what Bhikkhu Thanissaro said in his article. It is related to the belief in rebirth : "...it is a basic tendency in western buddhism that has its roots in protestant buddhism in past colonial history and it's based on universalization of subjectivity: i like this therefore this must be what the buddha thought..." This was a part of the talk where the speaker mentions the disbelief in rebirth in western buddhism.
Also, keep in mind, Protestant Christians generally believe in an after-life. Therefore, again, it appears Thanissaro and Analayo's views are self-contradictory.
You should also consider that in his PDF called 'Shape of Suffering', Thanissaro himself says "jati" does not mean "rebirth" but, instead, means "identity". Therefore, again, it appears Thanissaro views are self-contradictory.
You should ask yourself why do monks such as Thanissaro and Analayo write scores of very long books that are controversial & censured by other Buddhists ? Have these monks ever developed a real mediation practise? Probably not.
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It all depends on context! anyway... thanks for your inputDooDoot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:11 amBut many probably most Western Buddhists, similar to Thanissaro and Analayo, believe in rebirth. Therefore, it appears Thanissaro and Analayo's views are self-contradictory.Kjigme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:52 am I am watching on youtube a talk on "Rebirth in Early Buddhism & current research" with Bhikkhu Analāyo. There is a moment where he says something similar to what Bhikkhu Thanissaro said in his article. It is related to the belief in rebirth : "...it is a basic tendency in western buddhism that has its roots in protestant buddhism in past colonial history and it's based on universalization of subjectivity: i like this therefore this must be what the buddha thought..." This was a part of the talk where the speaker mentions the disbelief in rebirth in western buddhism.
Also, keep in mind, Protestant Christians generally believe in an after-life. Therefore, again, it appears Thanissaro and Analayo's views are self-contradictory.
You should also consider that in his PDF called 'Shape of Suffering', Thanissaro himself says "jati" does not mean "rebirth" but, instead, means "identity". Therefore, again, it appears Thanissaro views are self-contradictory.
You should ask yourself why do monks such as Thanissaro and Analayo write scores of very long books that are controversial & censured by other Buddhists ? Have these monks ever developed a real mediation practise? Probably not.
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Buddha, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Dhamma, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Sangha, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
Ratana Sutta
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Dhamma, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Sangha, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
Ratana Sutta
Re: "The Buddha via the Bible"
The Buddha taught two types of dhamma (MN 117), namely:
1. Core supramundane dhamma for liberation
2. Worldly dhamma for merit making or morality.
The core supramundane dhamma is realised in the here & now.
It is OK to believe in the worldly dhamma but, according to the Ani Sutta, it is really not OK to undermine/subvert the core dhamma.
Best wishes
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It's like the Mahayana view when it to refers to relative and supreme truth. I now understand what you are referring to. I am actually listening to a conversation with Dhammarato in which he mentions that it is dangerous to teach the supramundane dhamma to some people. Worldly dhamma is important to understand and practice. Rebirth is a relative truth. For those who haven't actualized the supramundane dhamma rebirth is a "fact". What do you think?DooDoot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:12 amThe Buddha taught two types of dhamma (MN 117), namely:
1. Core supramundane dhamma for liberation
2. Worldly dhamma for merit making or morality.
The core supramundane dhamma is realised in the here & now.
It is OK to believe in the worldly dhamma but, according to the Ani Sutta, it is really not OK to undermine/subvert the core dhamma.
Best wishes
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Buddha, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Dhamma, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Sangha, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
Ratana Sutta
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Dhamma, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
We beings here assembled, whether terrestrial or celestial, salute the Accomplished Sangha, honoured by gods and men. May there be happiness!
Ratana Sutta